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Socialism and the Far Right

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
most of the far right in the US rails against socialism but isn't that what jesus was promoting?


isn't it kind of hypocritical to be very rich, a capitalist, and a christian, or to be anti-socialism and christian?


Kentucky is a red state. But 34% of working families are 200% or more under the poverty line. Isn't that odd that someone would vote against the very thing that helps them.


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Kentucky - Spotlight on Poverty and Opportunity
 
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Viker

Häxan
I doubt Jesus was promoting socialism or capitalism. Those are things of this world.

I'm aware of the disparity in my state. No one seems to be able to get their stuff together to solve this issue. Attempts seem to be met with allegations of collusion with socialism. I think why there may be resistance is lack of trust in government, in which has done much harm in our states past.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
most of the far right in the US rales against socialism but isn't that what jesus was promoting?
Not that I am aware of

isn't it kind of hypocritical to very rich and a christian, or to be anti-socialism and christian?
I think this is too hypothetical... what is "rich"? I believe you are rich... is it right for you to be rich?

Kentucky is a red state. But 34% of working families are 200% or more under the poverty line. Isn't that odd that someone would vote against the very thing that helps them.

No. In Venezuela, they took a whole apartment complex and gave it to the poor. In less than a year, the complex was destroyed... did that help them?

The problem isn't that people are rich... there is a deeper problem.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I think this is too hypothetical... what is "rich"? I believe you are rich... is it right for you to be rich?
Ask Jesus. He said it's easier to do something impossible than get a rich man into the Kingdom.
The problem isn't that people are rich... there is a deeper problem.
It depends, when there wealth disparity is too great that there's a few rich people and tons of people who are poor, that there are rich people in this scenario is a problem.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Lot of early socialists were Christians so perhaps they thought so.

Socialism is in some ways a post-Christian religion and just like fervent Christianity led to all sorts of un-Christian behaviour applied socialism led to some pretty un-socialist conduct among its converts.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
most of the far right in the US rales against socialism but isn't that what jesus was promoting?

"socialism" is one of those terms that gets batted back and forth a lot. There is a fairly famous video clip of a woman at a town hall meeting saying: "you darned (democratic) socialists, get your hands off of my social security checks."

MOST of the GOP uses "socialism" as a boogey-man term, but the truth is that the US and most western democracies are some blend of democracy and socialism. It's not black and white. The GOP use the term "socialism" to attempt to conjure up images of China under Mao or maybe the USSR. Again, a boogey-man.

The officially "happiest" countries in the world (think Scandinavia), are a bit more socialist than the US, but no where near Mao or the USSR.

And in a word, I'd say yes, Jesus would be pleased to see what's happening in Scandinavia :)
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Love has a price tag in this world. There is love. No one seems to notice even if some experience it.
It seems quite a few notice it.

And what price tag? Where did Jesus mention love having a price tag on earth? He just talked about love.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
most of the far right in the US rales against socialism but isn't that what jesus was promoting?


isn't it kind of hypocritical to very rich and a christian, or to be anti-socialism and christian?


Kentucky is a red state. But 34% of working families are 200% or more under the poverty line. Isn't that odd that someone would vote against the very thing that helps them.


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Kentucky - Spotlight on Poverty and Opportunity

So how is socialism going to help these people in poverty?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I doubt Jesus was promoting socialism or capitalism. Those are things of this world.

I'm aware of the disparity in my state. No one seems to be able to get their stuff together to solve this issue. Attempts seem to be met with allegations of collusion with socialism. I think why there may be resistance is lack of trust in government, in which has done much harm in our states past.

you can't serve love and power over other as self
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
"socialism" is one of those terms that gets batted back and forth a lot. There is a fairly famous video clip of a woman at a town hall meeting saying: "you darned (democratic) socialists, get your hands off of my social security checks."

MOST of the GOP uses "socialism" as a boogey-man term, but the truth is that the US and most western democracies are some blend of democracy and socialism. It's not black and white. The GOP use the term "socialism" to attempt to conjure up images of China under Mao or maybe the USSR. Again, a boogey-man.

The officially "happiest" countries in the world (think Scandinavia), are a bit more socialist than the US, but no where near Mao or the USSR.

And in a word, I'd say yes, Jesus would be pleased to see what's happening in Scandinavia :)
social security is based on a social system. i agree most western democracies are a blended state.
 

Viker

Häxan
you can't serve love and power over other as self
Who says?

You can serve your self even giving yourself to others. Love is not about limits here. And power is not worrying about the lack of love, but more about worrying for the lack of self love among others. If you want power you have to throw yourself into the fire first. Love is universal, unconquerable and often overlooked.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Not that I am aware of


I think this is too hypothetical... what is "rich"? I believe you are rich... is it right for you to be rich?



No. In Venezuela, they took a whole apartment complex and gave it to the poor. In less than a year, the complex was destroyed... did that help them?

The problem isn't that people are rich... there is a deeper problem.
i don't rail against socialism.

if you recall jesus spoke about the pharisess and them consuming widows houses.


the military, police forces, fire dept, most public educational systems, social security, public parks and lands, the us government, are social programs, people on medicare/medicaid, state governments, city governments, are all social programs.

i wouldn't shoot myself in the foot simply because i was a hypocrite for accepting help and then promote a capitalists wants over someone's needs. a person who has needs trumps a person who has wants. it's like hoarding. Its a mental illness

case in point, this guy is a multi-millionaire who probably makes quite a bit of money but doesn't worry about the poor. He is definitely a capitalist. Guess he forgot what Jesus said about doing unto the least of these.


Radio Host Dave Ramsey Insists if His Tenants Are Homeless Because He Raised Rent, It Doesn’t Make Him ‘a Bad Christian’
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Who says?

You can serve your self even giving yourself to others. Love is not about limits here. And power is not worrying about the lack of love, but more about worrying for the lack of self love among others. If you want power you have to throw yourself into the fire first. Love is universal, unconquerable and often overlooked.

you can't serve the idea of power. it creates hierarchies. one who serves self isn't concerned about anyone but self and self's.

unconditional love serves all; otherwise it has limits, makes differences, isn't serving to others as self
 

Viker

Häxan
you can't serve the idea of power. it creates hierarchies. one who serves self isn't concerned about anyone but self and self's.

unconditional love serves all; otherwise it has limits, makes differences, isn't serving to others as self
How about this? We are all the self? We are broken apart and mended together in our difference?

There'll always be "hierarchies". They're there so that a mouse can bat a cat and become a lion.
 
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