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Featured Socialism and the Far Right

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:33 PM.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    Once again, it's confirmed...
    I'd rather be rich than Christian.
     
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    Another teaching of Jesus' typically ignored by christians.




    Wait, so you actually do see the needy and downtrodden as "lowly riff raff"?
     
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    In the Sermon On the Mount, Jesus made it very clear that we are to go out of our way to help the poor and dispossessed, thus the answer is quite clearly yes.


    BTW, some people conflate socialism with Marxism, but they are not synonymous.
     
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    Ahhh...the written memories from Saul of the memories of Mathew's memories.

    A thought comes to mind...wasn't Jesus a begger and practically impoverished?

    He was as He stood amongst the memories of Him.
     
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    Wot?! They're cannibals!
    Well, McDonalds fans, anyway
     
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    I don't understand why Venezuela is so often used as an example by conservatives.

    What does Venezuela have to do with Kentucky?
     
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    As you know, Venezuela was led by a Marxist, certainly not a Scandinavian-style socialist.
     
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    anna. Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    I guess that's the reason, because Venezuela is the cautionary tale, and Scandinavian socialism (happiest countries in the world on a recurring basis, btw) doesn't hold up as a cautionary tale?
     
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    Do you think it would be better if everybody were poor, and nobody rich? Especially considering the progressive tax structure in the US?
     
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    love exists at all levels but there is a difference in being a mentor, role model, guardian, shepherd and a despot. one is only interested in profiting from it's subordinates and the other is interested in insuring the beings in their care get their needs met and the skills to become stewards themselves. you cannot server serve self and serve other as self. you cannot serve selfisness and selflessness
     
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    the personality has to be stripped away along with all those materialistic entanglements.you cannot serve hierarchies, orders, and serve god, or serve love. love doesn't make a difference between self and other as self. this is how empathy works. you cannot serve selfisness and selflessness. the poor in spirit are blessed for a reason.

    materialistically they are poor but in spirit they have great measure, they are blessed. they don't hoard material things in order to exist because mentally they are wealthy. or empowered. the power is in the Spirit and not the flesh.
     
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    there were 3 men that were given 3 different talent amts. Everyone invested their talents; except the third. He gave each according to their ability, that is a meritocracy. each was entrusted to do what love would compel but the third one didn't do that. he buried his; he didn't try to improve his lot or that of the other; so then what was the outcome? those who won't work for love, are in darkness. love should not be kept only for self; otherwise you are denying god's right to his own, or denying love's right to it's own


    matthew 6:21

    out of the heart the mouth speaks
     
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    the beast???? like a ravening wolf? or roaring lion? devouring anyone and everyone in its path?


    basically an energy vampire, psychic vampires
     
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    No, it would be better if income distribution were more equitable.
     
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    Humans are animals, and greed is something humans do. Pretending otherwise does no one any good.
     
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    humans can be thick headed or have greater mental acuity. the ability to think abstractly is greater in humans. so the ability for greater mental capacity, for spiritual capacity is greater in humans vs other beasts. being born into ignorance doesn't require us to remain their. lets go higher to see farther. on a clear day i can see forever but sometimes the clouds get in the way.
     
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    I really don't know where they get off calling themselves Marxist. Anyone, really. Except for they haven't read Marx to know things like class, money, and the state itself are done away with in a Marxist state with the working class being at the top.
    But dictionaries can't even get communism right and insist it was invented by Marx.
     
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    It should be labeled "Scandinavian capitalism",
    because it's taxing the income therefrom that
    fuels social programs.
     
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    I haven't been.
    Again, Jesus didn't say it's impossible, but that it's harder than impossible. The key implication being it's not going to happen. But according to Jesus many of us aren't getting in.
    Again, that's obviously not the riches he was talking about. Amd it would be silly. Increases in housing? He and his disciples were homeless beggars. It doesn't take much to get more than that. Having more brethren? How can that even possibly get twisted into the camel passing through the eye of a needle?
    He told his disciples to sell everything they own and give the money to the poor. Time and time and time again he taught and commanded giving to the poor and taking care of the poor. He was clearly against hoarding wealth and he strongly advocated for positions of self-inflicted poverty.
    Much of the NT as a whole isn't consistent with the Tanahk.
     
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