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Here you go again promoting lies and delusion because you do not understand Gods' Word
You do know your only fulfilling the scriptures... For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Thank you for proving God's Word true again
There are many things that proves God's Word true. This conversation is simply one of them and for that I thank you
All I hear are your words from your own imagination repeating yourself, which are not God's Word because you do not understand God's Word and do not know God. Please let's continue the discussion when you have something intelligent to say.
ALL reading requires interpreting.
If it was very clear then everyone would interpret it THE SAME WAY, but they don't.
I thought atheists were logical but I guess that does not apply across the board.
You are in no position to say "All of the Bible was intended to be interpreted literally." You have absolutely nothing on which to base that assertion other than your own opinion.
The laws were established with supernatural guidance, but Moses did not write the OT as Baha’u’llah wrote His Book of Laws. That is the difference.
Who wrote the book of Genesis and when was it written?
Tradition credits Moses as the author of Genesis, as well as the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and most of Deuteronomy, but modern scholars increasingly see them as a product of the 6th and 5th centuries BC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Book_of_Genesis
Muhammed was not illiterate.
Claim of Muhammad’s illiteracy | Submission.org - Your best source for Submission (Islam)
Muhammad was illiterate:
Is it True that Prophet Muhammad Was Illiterate?
According to official Bahai, Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus Christ, Muhammad were all Manifestations of God and therefore infallible.
That is true, but so what?
Let's add denial to your lies and delusions because you do not understand God's Word because you do not know God. Thanks for proving God's Word to be true again *2 THESSALONIANS 2:11; ISAIAH 66:4No lies. No delusions. Just an ability to read 2000 year old stories as translated to English. Just an ability to understand that when powerful entities coerce an innocent young female to accept being impregnated, that that is RAPE.
Seeing you see not and hearing you hear not because you deny God's Word *MATTHEW 13:13. You do not see because you close your eyes. You do not hear because you close your ears and it is people like you who fulfill the very Word of God you deny. The fool says in his heart there is no God *PSALMS 53:1. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned *1 CORINTHIANS 2:14 for the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness *1 CORINTHIANS 3:19. Although I feel suppy for you as you do not even know you are fulfilling the very scritptures you deny and proving God's Word true for all to see. ThankyouAre you really that naive? Really? What do you expect storytellers to say? "Hey, this is all a bunch of nonsense"? Of course, they are going to say the kind of BS that you quoted. The only thing that is proved is that the old storytellers knew how to manipulate the naive people who would blindly accept their words. I guess that includes "angels".
Let me know when you have something intelligent to say and we will talk more latterSee above. I'll bet you also believe the Gospel writers were eyewitnesses to all the word for word quotes they attributed to Jesus. Oh, well.
OK. Here is something rational, intelligent, and factual. Rape is rape. The Bible was written and compiled by misogynistic men who believed women were their subordinates.
“For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior” (Ephesians 5:23, ESV).
“Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. … Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her” (Ephesians 5:22 and 25, ESV).
Some of the strongest adherents to the Bible's misogynistic views are alive and well today.
Do you have anything except your blind belief that the Bible was written by God? That is a fantasy that even Most Christians no longer believe. Your Bible was written by an anonymous group of men trying to promote an alternative religion. At least with Muhammed and Baluluah and Joseph Smith, we know who the actual writers were.
I agree that the meaning is clear, but you still had to interpret it as you read it.No. All writing does not need interpreting. Some writing is very clear and specific.
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain,
Does that need interpreting? In context, it's clear to anyone with a 10th-grade education what "knew" means. If one knows the English language one does not need to interpret "conceived" and "bare".
Would anyone interpret that passage as: "Adam and Eve were married so they were acquainted with one another and Eve devised a plan to see Cain with no clothes on.
Maybe the Bible writers did expect people to interpret the whole Bible literally, but does that mean you believe everything in the Bible is literally true? Do you believe that?Sure I am. Sure I do. Sure is anyone with any valid concept of why and how people write stories that they hope/expect will become scripture. Do you really think the guys who wrote "in the beginning" or the detailed genealogies were just giving hints?
Maybe it was intended to be taken literally or maybe not, but either way, it was meant to be accepted as the Truth from God. It is definitely open to more than one interpretation; it is not like the verse you posted above. Who is the Son of Man referred to in these verses? Jesus was given the title “the Son of Man” but the title Son of Man does not apply exclusively to Jesus. It also applies to Baha’u’llah.Do you think the writer of Matthew was just messing with people when he (allegedly) wrote:
Matthew 24:30-31
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
That was meant to be taken literally. That was meant to be accepted as Truth From God.
The fact that some scriptures can have more than one meaning is just the nature of scriptures. Some scriptures can have more than one meaning and some have one obvious meaning, but you’d be surprised the lengths people will go to in order to deny the meanings that are obvious. Some Baha’is will say that Baha’u’llah did not mean for us to interpret the self and passion writings literally just because they do not want to face reality.Did your Baluluah write in such a way that his writings could be interpreted in many different ways? If so, they are as useless any other stories written by men.
They can SAY whatever they want to say about His Writings but they can be proven wrong because the original Tablets of Baha’u’llah stamped with His official seal reside in a vault in Haifa, Israel. They are carefully protected so they cannot be accessed and destroyed.What makes you believe that 3000 years from now people won't be saying: "Baluluah? Nah. There never was a Baluluah. No one really knows who wrote all that stuff".
If we get that opportunity.I guess we'll have to wait until we get to heaven and ask him ourselves.
I have no idea what you mean. After all what stuff I wrote?Cough. Choke. Gag. Laugh out Loud. You seriously want admit that after all the stuff you wrote. Really?
Please show where I have lied. Accusing someone of being a liar is contrary to the rules of the forum. If you can prove I lied, I'll accept that. However, I am not a moderator.Let's add denial to your lies
I don't believe any of it is true. I have posted many times that the writers of the Bible stories were people trying to get a new religion established. That is true for the OT and the NT. It is also true of anything Baluluah and John Smith and Muhammed wrote.Maybe the Bible writers did expect people to interpret the whole Bible literally, but does that mean you believe everything in the Bible is literally true? Do you believe that?
Duh! When the Bible writers wrote about "Son of Man", they didn't know about Baluluah.Jesus was given the title “the Son of Man” but the title Son of Man does not apply exclusively to Jesus. It also applies to Baha’u’llah.
Baha’u’llah explained the meaning of clouds in The Kitáb-i-Íqán. He devoted quite a bit of text to explaining what clouds means.
All of which makes all scripture really worthless.The fact that some scriptures can have more than one meaning is just the nature of scriptures. Some scriptures can have more than one meaning and some have one obvious meaning, but you’d be surprised the lengths people will go to in order to deny the meanings that are obvious. Some Baha’is will say that Baha’u’llah did not mean for us to interpret the self and passion writings literally just because they do not want to face reality.
They can SAY whatever they want to say about His Writings but they can be proven wrong because the original Tablets of Baha’u’llah stamped with His official seal reside in a vault in Haifa, Israel. They are carefully protected so they cannot be accessed and destroyed.
It is a historical fact that Baha’u’llah existed and founded a religion, nobody can deny that.
The only question that remains is whether He was a Messenger of God or not.
Please show where I have lied. Accusing someone of being a liar is contrary to the rules of the forum. If you can prove I lied, I'll accept that. However, I am not a moderator.