Skwim
Veteran Member
No. America is a country whose culture includes a predominant religion.lol...I knew it...
whether u guys like it or not, America is culturally a Christian nation.
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No. America is a country whose culture includes a predominant religion.lol...I knew it...
whether u guys like it or not, America is culturally a Christian nation.
According to the article, every year it costs money for upkeep.Are we concerned that someone will be crucified on it?
A complete waste of taxpayer dollars, IMO. It's already there. It's been there for 93 years. It would cost money to take it down.
Just like the large statue of a guy with an erect penis in your neighbor's yard across the street from you.If you don't like it, don't look at it.
The American Legion is so tied to the Christian religion that it can't even acknowledge that armed service personal of other faiths had non-cross-shaped markers on their graves. AND that after WWI even if "crosses became the cultural symbol of the fallen," it was inappropriate. How would you feel if, as a Jew, Unitarian, Bahai, Atheist, Muslim, Eckest, Wiccan, or any other of the 98 religious beliefs recognized by the military, your fallen son or daughter was memorialized by a cross?Defending the cross, the American Legion argues that the memorial was designed to mirror the cross-shaped markers on the graves of American servicemen overseas. In the aftermath of World War I, the group says, crosses became the cultural symbol of the fallen, so the government "may use a cross when commemorating a secular, historical event."
I am a pretty hardcore secularist, but even I agree with the Legion here.
I knew this thread was really just a personal vendetta against your neighbors for complaining about your "fountain."Just like the large statue of a guy with an erect penis in your neighbor's yard across the street from you.
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Dude,The American Legion is so tied to the Christian religion that it can't even acknowledge that armed service personal of other faiths had non-cross-shaped markers on their graves
Absolutely, but what does that have to do with the stupid comment made by the American Legion?Dude,
Can you even grasp that not all of us, including secularists, don't have a problem with every symbol?
A guy has to start somewhere.I knew this thread was really just a personal vendetta against your neighbors for complaining about your "fountain."
According to the article, every year it costs money for upkeep.
Just like the large statue of a guy with an erect penis in your neighbor's yard across the street from you.
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And that would be the cost of violating the Constitution. What can I say, that since we've violated it in the past it's alright to keep on violating it? Not on yure Grandmothers fine china, fella.Yes, but even though the article doesn’t state how much, I’m confident the cost is substantially less than SCOTUS hearings and subsequent demolition and site reclamation.
They're putting penises on the cover of a children’s VHS movie? Kind of odd don't you think?Well, if it’s okay on the cover of a children’s VHS movie, why not?
You're the one whose solution was, "If you don't like it, don't look at it." I'm just pointing out that the solution can cut both ways.Seriously, though, are we really comparing a phallus to a cross? Are you, in all seriousness, suggesting that they are on the same level of offensiveness to the general populous?
Crosses as grave markers outdate Christianity.The American Legion is so tied to the Christian religion that it can't even acknowledge that armed service personal of other faiths had non-cross-shaped markers on their graves. AND that after WWI even if "crosses became the cultural symbol of the fallen," it was inappropriate. How would you feel if, as a Jew, Unitarian, Bahai, Atheist, Muslim, Eckest, Wiccan, or any other of the 98 religions recognized by the military, your fallen son or daughter was commemorated by a cross?
Nope. As usual the American Legion has its biased head up its ***.
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*sigh*I agree wholeheartedly with the Legion's argument in this case.
Perhaps not, but as it was erected to commemorate fallen service personnel it was certainly meant to be a symbol of Christianity. Why else do you think it was chosen, because it has a pleasing symmetry?The cross is not a symbol exclusive to Christianity.
The cross has become as ubiquitous as it is only because Christians were in places of power to decide it would be used. And as I asked before, "How would you feel if, as a Jew, Unitarian, Bahai, Atheist, Muslim, Eckest, Wiccan, or any other of the 98 religions recognized by the military, your fallen son or daughter was memorialized by a cross? As a Christian how would you feel if instead of a cross to memorialize your son or daughter the symbol chosen was the atomic whirl of Atheism, or the pentacle of Wicca?As a war memorial, it is more significant as a cultural symbol to represent the fallen.
So what? The cross used to memorialize fallen service members was chosen only because it does represent Christianity.Crosses as grave markers outdate Christianity.
Thoughts?.
The U.S. Supreme Court said Friday that it will take up a fight over a towering cross in suburban Washington, D.C., a case that invites the court to further define what kind of displays amount to government endorsement of religion.
The court's rulings have been notoriously erratic in this area, and Justice Brett Kavanaugh's views probably won't differ much from those of Anthony Kennedy, who was willing to tolerate of a lower wall of separation between church and state.........
The case involves a challenge to a 40-foot-tall concrete cross at a busy intersection in Bladensburg, Maryland. Completed in 1925, it was built to commemorate 49 servicemen from the county who died in World War I.
In 2012, the American Humanist Association filed a lawsuit, claiming that its presence on public land violates the Constitution, amount to a government establishment of religion. The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Virginia agreed, saying it could not ignore that "for thousands of years the Latin cross has represented Christianity."
Because the government owns the land on which the cross sits and has spent public money to maintain the memorial, the government improperly entangled itself with a particular religion, the appeals court said. A reasonable observer would conclude that the government "either places Christianity above other faiths, views being American and Christian as one in the same, or both."
Defending the cross, the American Legion argues that the memorial was designed to mirror the cross-shaped markers on the graves of American servicemen overseas. In the aftermath of World War I, the group says, crosses became the cultural symbol of the fallen, so the government "may use a cross when commemorating a secular, historical event."
A Supreme Court decision upholding the lower court ruling against the cross would cast doubt on hundreds of similar monuments nationwide that use crosses to commemorate lives lost in war, the American Legion warns.
The case will be argued early next year.
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It could be argued, that one does not have to feel anything. They are dead.*sigh*
Perhaps not, but as it was erected to commemorate fallen service personnel it was certainly meant to be a symbol of Christianity. Why else do you think it was chosen, because it has a pleasing symmetry?
The cross has become as ubiquitous as it is only because Christians were in places of power to decide it would be used. And as I asked before, "How would you feel if, as a Jew, Unitarian, Bahai, Atheist, Muslim, Eckest, Wiccan, or any other of the 98 religions recognized by the military, your fallen son or daughter was memorialized by a cross? As a Christian how would you feel if instead of a cross to memorialize your son or daughter the symbol chosen was the atomic whirl of Atheism, or the pentacle of Wicca?
And that would be the cost of violating the Constitution. What can I say, that since we've violated it in the past it's alright to keep on violating it? Not on yure Grandmothers fine china, fella.
They're putting penises on the cover of a children’s VHS movie? Kind of odd don't you think?
You're the one whose solution was, "If you don't like it, don't look at it." I'm just pointing out that the solution can cut both ways..
And if your assumption is wrong, then what?I assume the 49 servicemen were of Christian faith? It so, it is quite an appropriate monument to their service. This is not establishing a State religion, it is simply honoring these 49 servicemen.
Why?In my opinion, the Supreme Court, if they require the removal of this cross, IS attempting to establish a State religion (atheism).
Sure it would, but first you would have to show that they were actually attempting to establish a State religion. That this was the ultimate aim of their decision. Think this is what could be lurking in the minds of the Court? A court currently comprised of 5 Roman Catholics, 3 Jews, and an Episcopalian.In that case, such a ruling would exceed their authority.
And no one has said it does. However, the court is charged with interpreting it.The Court does not have the authority to change the Constitution of the United States.
As I pointed out elsewhere, atheists do have a symbol of their religious belief, a whirling atom.It could be argued, that one does not have to feel anything. They are dead.
Symbols such as crosses, swastikas, etc. are for the living, not the dead.
If a cross is put up to honor servicemen and one of them was a Jew, feel free to have the city include a Star of David in the monument to honor that serviceman.
For you atheists. do you have a symbol for your religion?
Of course not. It was chosen because of its symbolic significance.Perhaps not, but as it was erected to commemorate fallen service personnel it was certainly meant to be a symbol of Christianity. Why else do you think it was chosen, because it has a pleasing symmetry?
That's one way of looking at it.The cross has become as ubiquitous as it is only because Christians were in places of power to decide it would be used. And as I asked before, "How would you feel if, as a Jew, Unitarian, Bahai, Atheist, Muslim, Eckest, Wiccan, or any other of the 98 religions recognized by the military, your fallen son or daughter was memorialized by a cross? As a Christian how would you feel if instead of a cross to memorialize your son or daughter the symbol chosen was the atomic whirl of Atheism, or the pentacle of Wicca?
Fortunately, I learned a phrase these last two years: fake news.So what? The cross used to memorialize fallen service members was chosen only because it does represent Christianity.
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