Remembrance weekend pro Palestinian marches should they be banned?.

[Orbit]

No I don’t,it’s not about land it’s about “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free”,it’s about the complete eradication of Jews in israel.

Here’s another favourite of Hamas,this Hadith:

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”

The quote you give is specifically about land, though ("from the rivers to the sea"), so I'm puzzled by how you could think that land has nothing to do with it.

 

[England my lionheart]

Why don't you admit hating Muslims, eh.

This seizing upon this factoid to justify perpetual
war upon Muslims by Israel ignores the failure
of that policy.
Think in terms of how peace could be achieved,
instead of justifying hatred & war.

I don’t do hate because it’s self destructive,I do have a strong dislike of terrorism because it’s carried out in the most cowardly way.

“”The perpetual war upon Muslims”,that’s a dandy considering 6 wars and infitadas carried out by er Muslims.

 

[England my lionheart]

The quote you give is specifically about land, though ("from the rivers to the sea"), so I'm puzzled by how you could think that land has nothing to do with it.

It does but only if there are no Jews on it,that’s what “river to the sea” means,push the Jews into the sea,but it’s not about Gaza or the West Bank.

 

[Orbit]

It does but only if there are no Jews on it,that’s what “river to the sea” means,push the Jews into the sea,but it’s not about Gaza or the West Bank.

But Gaza and the West Bank are both located "between the river and the sea", so I'm just not seeing it.

Israel Gaza war: History of the conflict explained

Tensions between Israel and the Palestinians date back decades, but what are the key issues?

www.bbc.com

 

[England my lionheart]

But Gaza and the West Bank are both located "between the river and the sea", so I'm just not seeing it.

Israel Gaza war: History of the conflict explained

Tensions between Israel and the Palestinians date back decades, but what are the key issues?

www.bbc.com

It’s just easier to say they want to get rid of the Jews then they can have it all Jew free.

I’m watching football now as I missed the game earlier because of rememberance day.

 

[exchemist]

Braverman will be in a new job soon,same company which is a shame.

She may be on the back benches. But anyway, if she's not Home Sec. any more that has to be good. She's really dangerous and useless in that job.

What I find so obnoxious about all this is that Sunak and his team seem to be engaging in trying to find ways to set the people of the country against one another, instead of showing leadership and unifying. They are obviously copying from the US Republicans, but it is a recipe for weakening the country by turning people's energy inward on attacking each other, instead of doing anything to improve the national situation. They all need to be thrown out, the sooner the better.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don’t do hate because it’s self destructive,

Yet you falsely accuse others of it.
Let that be a lesson.

I do have a strong dislike of terrorism because it’s carried out in the most cowardly way.

Cowardly is a meaningless epithet.
But if you mean it, nothing is more cowardly
than Israelis pushing buttons from comfy chairs
to kill children miles away. **** that ****.

“”The perpetual war upon Muslims”,that’s a dandy considering 6 wars and infitadas carried out by er Muslims.

The inhumanity of some other Muslims doesn't
justify Israel's war crimes against Palestinians.

 

[England my lionheart]

She may be on the back benches. But anyway, if she's not Home Sec. any more that has to be good. She's really dangerous and useless in that job.

What I find so obnoxious about all this is that Sunak and his team seem to be engaging in trying to find ways to set the people of the country against one another, instead of showing leadership and unifying. They are obviously copying from the US Republicans, but it is a recipe for weakening the country by turning people's energy inward on attacking each other, instead of doing anything to improve the national situation. They all need to be thrown out, the sooner the better.

There were arrest today unfortunately 150 from pro Palestine and dozens of far right but much less than I anticipated.

I doubt even the tories could be as bad as republicans but yes they are pretty bad although I don’t see the alternative as much better,there’s a split in labour over Palestine so we’ll see,I hope for better from both.

 

[exchemist]

There were arrest today unfortunately 150 from pro Palestine and dozens of far right but much less than I anticipated.

I doubt even the tories could be as bad as republicans but yes they are pretty bad although I don’t see the alternative as much better,there’s a split in labour over Palestine so we’ll see,I hope for better from both.

Nope. Check your sources and please don't spread disinformation. Where did you get these wrong figures from?

The BBC reports there were 126 arrests, the "vast majority", according to the Metropolitan Police, being "counterprotesters", i.e. far right yobs: Rishi Sunak condemns criminality on day of protests in London

 

[England my lionheart]

Nope. Check your sources and please don't spread disinformation. Where did you get these wrong figures from?

The BBC reports there were 126 arrests, the "vast majority", according to the Metropolitan Police, being "counterprotesters", i.e. far right yobs: Rishi Sunak condemns criminality on day of protests in London

I don’t do anything BBC so here’s my source:

London police arrest over 120 as pro-Palestinian rally draws counter-protests

More than 300,000 pro-Palestinian demonstrators marched through central London on Saturday, with police arresting over 120 people as they sought to stop far-right counter-protesters from ambushing the main rally.

www.reuters.com

The extreme violence from the right wing protesters towards the police today was extraordinary and deeply concerning," Assistant Commissioner Matt Twist said, adding that a knife and knuckleduster were found during searches.

The intense debate about protest and policing in the run-up to the march had raised community tensions, he said.

While the much larger pro-Palestinian rally did not see physical violence, the senior officer said small groups had broken away from the main march, and about 150 people wearing face coverings had fired fireworks which struck officers in their faces, leading to arrests.

 

[exchemist]

I don’t do anything BBC so here’s my source:

London police arrest over 120 as pro-Palestinian rally draws counter-protests

More than 300,000 pro-Palestinian demonstrators marched through central London on Saturday, with police arresting over 120 people as they sought to stop far-right counter-protesters from ambushing the main rally.

www.reuters.com

The extreme violence from the right wing protesters towards the police today was extraordinary and deeply concerning," Assistant Commissioner Matt Twist said, adding that a knife and knuckleduster were found during searches.

The intense debate about protest and policing in the run-up to the march had raised community tensions, he said.

While the much larger pro-Palestinian rally did not see physical violence, the senior officer said small groups had broken away from the main march, and about 150 people wearing face coverings had fired fireworks which struck officers in their faces, leading to arrests.

Then you are misquoting your own source, which actually agrees with the BBC report.

To quote from your Reuters link: "Police said in a statement late on Saturday that they had arrested 126 people so far, the majority of whom were right wing protesters who formed part of a group several hundred strong which police said included football hooligans."

The 150 pro-Palestinians refers to this "breakaway group", few of whom were arrested, evidently, in view of the above police statement.

 

[England my lionheart]

Then you are misquoting your own source, which actually agrees with the BBC report.

To quote from your Reuters link: "Police said in a statement late on Saturday that they had arrested 126 people so far, the majority of whom were right wing protesters who formed part of a group several hundred strong which police said included football hooligans."

The 150 pro-Palestinians refers to this "breakaway group", few of whom were arrested, evidently, in view of the above police statement.

According to the BBC,whatever the figures are it’s a minority so success in some ways and a fail in others for a demonstration will achieve nothing other than division in a country that has no authority over a ceasefire,just what this country doesn’t need.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then you are misquoting your own source, which actually agrees with the BBC report.

To quote from your Reuters link: "Police said in a statement late on Saturday that they had arrested 126 people so far, the majority of whom were right wing protesters who formed part of a group several hundred strong which police said included football hooligans."

The 150 pro-Palestinians refers to this "breakaway group", few of whom were arrested, evidently, in view of the above police statement.

I think it unlikely that USA would have that same
scale of protest of that topic with such peace.
So kudos to those snaggle toothed Limeys for their
exemplary civility. Many could learn from them.

 

[icehorse]

There have been calls to ban the pro Palestinian marches in the UK on remembrance weekend,France banned pro Palestinian marches whatever day.

Although these protestors disgust me for doing this on a special weekend it must be allowed to go ahead and I see it as a victory for what we stand for.

The pro Palestinian marches have drawn out the worst of society,the antisemitic socialistic workers party and mainstream Labour Party,factions with links to Hamas,religious radicals and the ignorant,it has also drawn out the far right who are planning a counter demonstration and raises the possibility of violence.

The pro Palestinian marches organisers have made a mistake by not cancelling the marches,it’s insensitive and insulting and will have repercussions for them,I hope the weekend will be peaceful but I’m not optimistic,still,thanks to the fallen it’s they’re right so must go ahead,should it go ahead iyo?.

Any terrorists should be arrested. Other than that, the protests should not be banned, but STRONG counter protests should be encouraged.

This tactic seems fantastic:

 

[Little Dragon]

And you say the far right is violent ;-).

“If the police do not do their duty or are unable to, then I hope the allied march of thousands of muslims socialists and human rights supporters, stampedes the far right mob, into the ****ing ground. ”

Violence begets violence. I merely hope what goes around comes around. I utterly revile and hate the far right, for them, violence is the only method of communication. If they want violence, then they shall have it.

 

[Little Dragon]

the far left “socialist workers party” who just hate Britain

No, we hate the far right and their dog whistling politicians, as well as elitists and capitalist exploiters. We want them gone dear boy. Out on their arses.
Been a member for 14 years.

 

[Little Dragon]

Tell me what odds they give you.

I didn't in the end. But if you're right, that in itself will be a massive win for us all on "monkey island" (as my German wing of the family refer to GB now in gentle mockery)

 

[Little Dragon]

Any terrorists should be arrested. Other than that, the protests should not be banned, but STRONG counter protests should be encouraged.

This tactic seems fantastic:

Far-right activists launched missiles in a series of violent clashes with police after vowing to “defend” the Cenotaph as hundreds of thousands joined a pro-Palestine protest on Armistice Day.

The Metropolitan Police condemned the “unacceptable violence” faced by its officers as more than 90 counter-protesters were detained in mass arrests to prevent a breach of the peace after they attempted to target the rally.

Nationalist groups and football fans engaged in a series of violent confrontations across the capital, throwing beer cans and vapes and charging at officers, although the two minutes’ silence passed undisturbed at the Cenotaph.

Far-right groups clash with police amid counter rallies to pro-Palestine march

Crowds of men were chanting and climbing on bollards with pockets of disorder breaking out near Cenotaph before silence fell at 11am

www.independent.co.uk

Read that and re read what you posted icehorse, especially the part about encouraging STRONG counter protests...

 

[England my lionheart]

No, we hate the far right and their dog whistling politicians, as well as elitists and capitalist exploiters. We want them gone dear boy. Out on their arses.
Been a member for 14 years.

14 years,well there’s still time to change to a more successful party.

 

[Little Dragon]

14 years,well there’s still time to change to a more successful party.

Patience is a virtue, and the Labour party, will be next, to prove they too are unable to give the people what they want, which isn't culture wars and poverty and bars to justice and dysfunctional public services and rabid tabloids lying to them every day.
Our numbers are growing. Especially among the younger generations. We will ascend. Parliament will be ours.