Remembrance weekend pro Palestinian marches should they be banned?.

[England my lionheart]

There have been calls to ban the pro Palestinian marches in the UK on remembrance weekend,France banned pro Palestinian marches whatever day.

Although these protestors disgust me for doing this on a special weekend it must be allowed to go ahead and I see it as a victory for what we stand for.

The pro Palestinian marches have drawn out the worst of society,the antisemitic socialistic workers party and mainstream Labour Party,factions with links to Hamas,religious radicals and the ignorant,it has also drawn out the far right who are planning a counter demonstration and raises the possibility of violence.

The pro Palestinian marches organisers have made a mistake by not cancelling the marches,it’s insensitive and insulting and will have repercussions for them,I hope the weekend will be peaceful but I’m not optimistic,still,thanks to the fallen it’s they’re right so must go ahead,should it go ahead iyo?.

 

[Debater Slayer]

There have been calls to ban the pro Palestinian marches in the UK on remembrance weekend,France banned pro Palestinian marches whatever day.

Although these protestors disgust me for doing this on a special weekend it must be allowed to go ahead and I see it as a victory for what we stand for.

The pro Palestinian marches have drawn out the worst of society,the antisemitic socialistic workers party and mainstream Labour Party,factions with links to Hamas,religious radicals and the ignorant,it has also drawn out the far right who are planning a counter demonstration and raises the possibility of violence.

The pro Palestinian marches organisers have made a mistake by not cancelling the marches,it’s insensitive and insulting and will have repercussions for them,I hope the weekend will be peaceful but I’m not optimistic,still,thanks to the fallen it’s they’re right so must go ahead,should it go ahead iyo?.

I think the pro-Palestinian marches are necessary and the best way for an average citizen to make their position known about the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Gaza and about multiple Western governments' support for the continuing bombardment and siege. France has shown itself to be remarkably inconsistent by restricting such protests despite its repeated claims of upholding freedom and democracy, and I don't think the UK should similarly restrict freedom of expression if it wants to call itself a free and democratic country.

Many people who despise Hamas still stand by Palestinian people's rights and oppose the current bombardment and siege that have left over 10,000 civilians (almost half of whom are children) dead and many others injured or disabled.

I would definitely join one of those marches if I were in the UK while making it clear that I stood by the Palestinian people, not Hamas.

 

[exchemist]

There have been calls to ban the pro Palestinian marches in the UK on remembrance weekend,France banned pro Palestinian marches whatever day.

Although these protestors disgust me for doing this on a special weekend it must be allowed to go ahead and I see it as a victory for what we stand for.

The pro Palestinian marches have drawn out the worst of society,the antisemitic socialistic workers party and mainstream Labour Party,factions with links to Hamas,religious radicals and the ignorant,it has also drawn out the far right who are planning a counter demonstration and raises the possibility of violence.

The pro Palestinian marches organisers have made a mistake by not cancelling the marches,it’s insensitive and insulting and will have repercussions for them,I hope the weekend will be peaceful but I’m not optimistic,still,thanks to the fallen it’s they’re right so must go ahead,should it go ahead iyo?.

No of course the march should go ahead. What could be more appropriate than calling for an armistice on Armistice Day?

The dead soldiers we remember tomorrow would not have called for glorification of war, they would have called for the shooting and bombing to stop. At mass on Sunday, Remembrance Sunday, we will have prayers for peace.

The march will be 2 miles from where the Armistice Day commemorations will take place and 2 hours later in the day. So there is no conflict whatsoever. The notion of it conflicting is entirely false and being pumped up by Sunak and Braverperson.

The only thing that is "drawing out" the far right to disrupt this march is the unconscionable and irresponsible antics of our Home Secretary. Having done their best to give the march as much negative publicity as they can, she and Sunak now seem to be praying for these groups to create violence, so they can say "I told you so" and attack the head of the Metropolitan Police, who has said he has no intelligence that the march itself will cause sgnificant risk to public order. It is quite scandalous that our most senior government figures, responsible for domestic security, should publicly undermine the authority of their own police force. Leadership, this is not.

In fact, I am so disgusted by this performance that I am now seriously thinking of joining the march myself, wearing my poppy of course, as a personal two finger salute to Suella bloody Braverperson.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Whereas any pro-Palestinian marches in previous times might be seen as trying to highlight the situation in Gaza, and possibly elsewhere, and as to which there might be legitimate grievances, I couldn't support this particular march since it seems to simply support Palestinians (and Gaza) over Israel in the current conflict. Why would I want to do that over simply supporting peace in the area - given that I can't take sides as to such?

 

[Twilight Hue]

There have been calls to ban the pro Palestinian marches in the UK on remembrance weekend,France banned pro Palestinian marches whatever day.

Although these protestors disgust me for doing this on a special weekend it must be allowed to go ahead and I see it as a victory for what we stand for.

The pro Palestinian marches have drawn out the worst of society,the antisemitic socialistic workers party and mainstream Labour Party,factions with links to Hamas,religious radicals and the ignorant,it has also drawn out the far right who are planning a counter demonstration and raises the possibility of violence.

The pro Palestinian marches organisers have made a mistake by not cancelling the marches,it’s insensitive and insulting and will have repercussions for them,I hope the weekend will be peaceful but I’m not optimistic,still,thanks to the fallen it’s they’re right so must go ahead,should it go ahead iyo?.

I'd say in any country that puports freedom in its charter or constitution should allow any type of demonstration or rally as long as it's peaceful and disciplined.

Only way it should be banned is if there is a past track record that shows violence and unrest by its organizers.

 

[Sargonski]

There have been calls to ban the pro Palestinian marches in the UK on remembrance weekend,France banned pro Palestinian marches whatever day.

Although these protestors disgust me for doing this on a special weekend it must be allowed to go ahead and I see it as a victory for what we stand for.

The pro Palestinian marches have drawn out the worst of society,the antisemitic socialistic workers party and mainstream Labour Party,factions with links to Hamas,religious radicals and the ignorant,it has also drawn out the far right who are planning a counter demonstration and raises the possibility of violence.

The pro Palestinian marches organisers have made a mistake by not cancelling the marches,it’s insensitive and insulting and will have repercussions for them,I hope the weekend will be peaceful but I’m not optimistic,still,thanks to the fallen it’s they’re right so must go ahead,should it go ahead iyo?.

The marches should be doubled ... in rememberance of those who have died in this 70 year long blood fued. .. your claim that the pro Palestinian marches have drawn out the worst a pure racist and bigoted falsehood at best. "Anti semetic - Religious Radicals and terrorists" have shown up on the other side however .. big time.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's good to see that western countries finally
tolerate, albeit grudgingly, advocacy for Palestinians.

In the 70s, I lived in Los Angeles. I was learning
Arabic from a Syrian woman. She told me that
she had to keep her ethnicity secret because
of the hate from the Jewish community there.

Hatred still abounds in both directions, but I
see improvement to be found in allowing
Muslims equal access to political expression.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Whereas any pro-Palestinian marches in previous times might be seen as trying to highlight the situation in Gaza, and possibly elsewhere, and as to which there might be legitimate grievances, I couldn't support this particular march since it seems to simply support Palestinians (and Gaza) over Israel in the current conflict. Why would I want to do that over simply supporting peace in the area - given that I can't take sides as to such?

The question is whether or not such marches should be banned. The simple answer: No!

 

[Mock Turtle]

The question is whether or not such marches should be banned. The simple answer: No!

For me, I would say yes, given it might very well prompt violence, perhaps not on the march but elsewhere.

 

[England my lionheart]

I think the pro-Palestinian marches are necessary and the best way for an average citizen to make their position known about the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Gaza and about multiple Western governments' support for the continuing bombardment and siege. France has shown itself to be remarkably inconsistent by restricting such protests despite its repeated claims of upholding freedom and democracy, and I don't think the UK should similarly restrict freedom of expression if it wants to call itself a free and democratic country.

Many people who despise Hamas still stand by Palestinian people's rights and oppose the current bombardment and siege that have left over 10,000 civilians (almost half of whom are children) dead and many others injured or disabled.

I would definitely join one of those marches if I were in the UK while making it clear that I stood by the Palestinian people, not Hamas.

I think if going on the march for the Palestinian people is different from the “river to the sea” brigade is a difficult one because they are the ones who will be heard.

 

[England my lionheart]

No of course the march should go ahead. What could be more appropriate than calling for an armistice on Armistice Day?

The dead soldiers we remember tomorrow would not have called for glorification of war, they would have called for the shooting and bombing to stop. At mass on Sunday, Remembrance Sunday, we will have prayers for peace.

The march will be 2 miles from where the Armistice Day commemorations will take place and 2 hours later in the day. So there is no conflict whatsoever. The notion of it conflicting is entirely false and being pumped up by Sunak and Braverperson.

The only thing that is "drawing out" the far right to disrupt this march is the unconscionable and irresponsible antics of our Home Secretary. Having done their best to give the march as much negative publicity as they can, she and Sunak now seem to be praying for these groups to create violence, so they can say "I told you so" and attack the head of the Metropolitan Police, who has said he has no intelligence that the march itself will cause sgnificant risk to public order. It is quite scandalous that our most senior government figures, responsible for domestic security, should publicly undermine the authority of their own police force. Leadership, this is not.

In fact, I am so disgusted by this performance that I am now seriously thinking of joining the march myself, wearing my poppy of course, as a personal two finger salute to Suella bloody Braverperson.

The police have been very one sided and selective for some time,useless in dealing with “just stop oil”,people on the marches shouting death to Jews and destruction of Israel which is a hate crime yet admonish a group of youths for carrying our country’s flag so they’re not faultless but I agree braverman needs to go.

 

[England my lionheart]

The marches should be doubled ... in rememberance of those who have died in this 70 year long blood fued. .. your claim that the pro Palestinian marches have drawn out the worst a pure racist and bigoted falsehood at best. "Anti semetic - Religious Radicals and terrorists" have shown up on the other side however .. big time.

Palestine military wing the Al Qaasam brigades are not soldiers,they’re terrorists,I pointed out in the OP that I included the far right.

 

[England my lionheart]

It's good to see that western countries finally
tolerate, albeit grudgingly, advocacy for Palestinians.

In the 70s, I lived in Los Angeles. I was learning
Arabic from a Syrian woman. She told me that
she had to keep her ethnicity secret because
of the hate from the Jewish community there.

Hatred still abounds in both directions, but I
see improvement to be found in allowing
Muslims equal access to political expression.

I would call it more like propaganda,you don’t see the marchers condemning Hamas but yes free speech is essential but hate speech is definitely not.

 

[England my lionheart]

For me, I would say yes, given it might very well prompt violence, perhaps not on the march but elsewhere.

This is the worry and I’m not optimistic of it being peaceful.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would call it more like propaganda....

Meh....all I see from your posts is specious Israeli propaganda
to justify oppression, mass murder, & destruction of lesser humans.

...you don’t see the marchers condemning Hamas...

Do you know that....or just conveniently assume it?
Either way, it's a lame attempt to dismiss their concerns
for Palestinian human rights
BTW, you pro Israel types are in denial of Israel's history
of oppression, human rights violations, terrorism, & war
crimes. Your ad hominems are mere deflection from
evils perpetrated by Israel.

....but yes free speech is essential but hate speech is definitely not.

Hate speech flows copiously from Jews, Christians, & Muslims.
Don't defend it for some, & decry it from others.

 

[exchemist]

The police have been very one sided and selective for some time,useless in dealing with “just stop oil”,people on the marches shouting death to Jews and destruction of Israel which is a hate crime yet admonish a group of youths for carrying our country’s flag so they’re not faultless but I agree braverman needs to go.

Well if I go, I'll be in a position to update you on what the people on the march were actually like. I agree that Corbyn, who seems to be on the menu as a speaker, is a waste of space, but the people I've heard interviewed about their participation seem perfectly reasonable and not in the least antisemitic.

As you may know, it is a well-known ploy by some pro-Israel groups to try to conflate criticism of the policies of the state of Israel with antisemitism. (I had an American try to do that to me on a plane journey, once, in the run up to the Iraq invasion. He seemed genuinely surprised and put out when I reacted by saying "No, you don't" and giving him a sharp speech on the distinction.) I'll listen out for any "Death to Jews" stuff, but frankly I don't expect to hear any, though I'm sure there will be plenty of anti-Israel sentiment.

 

[England my lionheart]

Well if I go, I'll be in a position to update you on what the people on the march were actually like. I agree that Corbyn, who seems to be on the menu as a speaker, is a waste of space, but the people I've heard interviewed about their participation seem perfectly reasonable and not in the least antisemitic.

As you may know, it is a well-known ploy by some pro-Israel groups to try to conflate criticism of the policies of the state of Israel with antisemitism. (I had an American try to do that to me on a plane journey, once, in the run up to the Iraq invasion. He seemed genuinely surprised and put out when I reacted by saying "No, you don't" and giving him a sharp speech on the distinction.) I'll listen out for any "Death to Jews" stuff, but frankly I don't expect to hear any, though I'm sure there will be plenty of anti-Israel sentiment.

It will be interesting to hear,criticism of Israel and anti semitism are I agree two different things.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It will be interesting to hear,criticism of Israel and anti semitism are I agree two different things.

Then why have you seemed to weld the two together over this recent bout of violence

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

For me, I would say yes, given it might very well prompt violence, perhaps not on the march but elsewhere.

And if Jews were to march under the banner "I Stand With Israel - Bring Them Home,"

that "might very well prompt violence, perhaps not on the march but elsewhere."​

And if ant-gun-violence were to march under the banner "Protect Kids, Not Guns"

that "might very well prompt violence, perhaps not on the march but elsewhere."​

And if abortion rights advocates were to march under the banner, "Keep Your Laws Off My Body,"

that "might very well prompt violence, perhaps not on the march but elsewhere."​

And if Black Lives Matter were to march under the banner "I Can't Breathe,"

that "might very well prompt violence, perhaps not on the march but elsewhere."​

And if Never Trump demonstrators were to march under the banner "Grab Him By The Penal Code,"

that "might very well prompt violence, perhaps not on the march but elsewhere."​

I think your position is as thoughtless as it is dangerous.

 

[Yerda]

Nope.

Marching against the mass slaughter of human beings should be the order of the day.