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Reason for income inequality. It's because there are people who work harder than you.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Sorry Rand Paul. I don't think hard work. alone is the holy grail for combating income deficiency.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55c77af0e4b0923c12bd2c2a

Probably this was taken out of context and hyped considering how the media works these days, but it does raise a good debate subject here.

Do you think income inequality has everything to do with how hard you work?

I think it has to do more with opportunity and availability than just hard work alone.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Sorry Rand Paul. I don't think hard work. alone is the holy grail for combating income deficiency.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55c77af0e4b0923c12bd2c2a

Probably this was taken out of context and hyped considering how the media works these days, but it does raise a good debate subject here.

Do you think income inequality has everything to do with how hard you work?

I think it has to do more with opportunity and availability than just hard work alone.

It is easy enough to see that hard work alone just doesn't cut it. If it did, stevedores, sugarcane cutters, railroad workers and the like would consistently be of at least confortable wealth, and many wealthy people would have very different work schedules (and consumer habits, and earnings) than they do.

Income is to some extent a function of social expectations, which rewards works in often grossly unfair ways (don't get me started on lawyering vs. steel riveting, for instance), but also of education - which to a very large extent is a function of how well protected by others (mainly but not exclusively immediate family) people are. Which, of course, is itself largely a function of income unfairness, so it becomes a self-feeding loop that may go through many generations.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
My experience has been that people are better at kissing *** than me.
And, of course, a factory working doing 60 or more hours a week works a helluva lot harder than someone who sits on their *** in a cushioned and air conditioned room making investments, but the factory worker makes a helluva lot less. If hard work is what it took, farmers, factory workers, coal miners, and others would easily be the wealthiest people around.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Hard work is no guarantee of any large income. No work at all can still lead to affluence given the right circumstances.

That's not to say that hard work plays no part whatsoever in high incomes. It can. It's just no guarantee.

The fact that Luck has more to do with high income than hard work makes a lot of rich people uncomfortable, especially the ones who attained affluence by climbing out of poverty through hard work. People in general don't like having their senses of agency questioned or denied. But the environment a person was raised in, the type of mind a person was born with, the events that appear before certain people, the ability to spot, and take advantage of, opportunity... all of these are Luck-based, and mean everything.

People also don't like it when they work really hard to attain something, get it, and then see someone else get the same thing by doing comparatively little. It's "not fair". We also get frustrated when we see other people struggle with something we find easy; "I can do this thing easily! Therefore, there's no reason you can't!" This, of course, is basically assuming that everyone is basically the same in terms of ability, which is unwilling to accept the fact that certain people struggle with things that other people find easy. As a person with asperger's syndrome, social matters don't come naturally to me as they do others; everything I say and do in social contexts needs practice, and has to pass through some other process in my brain before it can be expressed accurately. I've compared that to multi-lingual people who speak languages that aren't their native ones.

So, even if it comes from a place of empathy, the idea that hard work is all that's needed to be rich, and accusations that poor people are lazy, is elitist, toxic, and in certain cases, dangerous.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Sorry Rand Paul. I don't think hard work. alone is the holy grail for combating income deficiency.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55c77af0e4b0923c12bd2c2a

Probably this was taken out of context and hyped considering how the media works these days, but it does raise a good debate subject here.

Do you think income inequality has everything to do with how hard you work?

I think it has to do more with opportunity and availability than just hard work alone.
In 1985..... 5% held 8trillion dollars in wealth.
25yrs later....40trillion dollars to their names.

the only group to multiply their holdings by 5......

It had nothing to do with my labor.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Sorry Rand Paul. I don't think hard work. alone is the holy grail for combating income deficiency.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55c77af0e4b0923c12bd2c2a

Probably this was taken out of context and hyped considering how the media works these days, but it does raise a good debate subject here.

Do you think income inequality has everything to do with how hard you work?

I think it has to do more with opportunity and availability than just hard work alone.
If I'm not mistaken Rand Paul hasn't had to work a day in his goddamn life. Like Trump. Though in Paul's defense he's not Donald Trump either, which is automatically a plus.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Sorry Rand Paul. I don't think hard work. alone is the holy grail for combating income deficiency.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55c77af0e4b0923c12bd2c2a

Probably this was taken out of context and hyped considering how the media works these days, but it does raise a good debate subject here.

Do you think income inequality has everything to do with how hard you work?

I think it has to do more with opportunity and availability than just hard work alone.

Said the one ( Rand Paul ) who had his expensive college tuition paid by his father, right ?
 

Pastek

Sunni muslim
wealth.jpg
 

SkylarHunter

Active Member
My boss sits around most of the day talking on his cell phone or having one smoking break after the other. His salary is several times bigger than mine, I can't even dream of having his benefits but the moment something needs to get done it falls on me or one of my colleagues.
No, hard work is definitely not the explanation for income inequality.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
My experience has been that people are better at kissing *** than me.
And, of course, a factory working doing 60 or more hours a week works a helluva lot harder than someone who sits on their *** in a cushioned and air conditioned room making investments, but the factory worker makes a helluva lot less. If hard work is what it took, farmers, factory workers, coal miners, and others would easily be the wealthiest people around.
You bring up a good point: the role of politics and advancement. I feel your pain on that one. I used to be a technician in a casino and I wanted to move into a supervisor role in another department. The excuses for refusing me the training was a very long list, indeed. Not too much you can do about it, sadly.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If I'm not mistaken Rand Paul hasn't had to work a day in his goddamn life. Like Trump. Though in Paul's defense he's not Donald Trump either, which is automatically a plus.
He does work.
He's an ophthalmologist & a senator.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul
His net worth....
http://celebnetwealth.com/rand-paul-net-worth-as-a-politician/
....is enuf to live a modest existence on the interest income.
Even so, is it a valid criticism that he works, but doesn't have to?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Firewood can be a basis for success & wealth.
But not just by hauling big loads of it on one's back.
That's hard work.

Henry Ford had a whole lotta wood scrap from making cars.
Instead of throwing it away, he created what became Kingsford Charcoal.
That's smart work.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Wealth, for the most part, is acquired by providing a service or product that others are willing to pay for (inherited or ill-gotten wealth notwithstanding). If you want to be wealthy provide something that's worth what you're asking. Unskilled laborers are not worth as much as someone who has the skill or drive to run the factory. Main caveat, however, is that there are no guarantees to getting rich.
 
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