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Featured Quran Yes. Hadith No.

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by EyE_OpEnEr_22, Aug 30, 2019.

  1. EyE_OpEnEr_22

    EyE_OpEnEr_22 New Member

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    According to Surat Ali-Imran and Surat An'Nisa, and basically the WHOLE Quran make the existence of the Hadith HARAM. Why? Simply because they added new sins. That is creating a lie or falsehood against Allah.

    Ask yourself, what's more important, the word of GOD or the jumbled up inaccuracies of the man-made hadith? No question about it.

    Plain and simple. Quran is complete and perfect with "clear verses" and "clear signs."

    Didn't He mention in the Quran how he divided the Pople of the Scriptures and caused them confusion and fight amongst each other?

    Here's what I'm going to point out about that:
    #1 Sunni Islam
    #2 Shiite Islam
    #3 Sufiism
    #4 War in Syria
    #5 War in Iraq
    #6 Extremists

    I saw a video of a non-Sunni carrying grocerie . He walked through a make shift checkpoint operated by Sunni militia. Simply because he wasn't like them when he was asked to identify himself, they shot and killed him. No weapon. Just food for his family. That's NOT the Quran. That's 100% the blasphemy found in the "Hadith."

    Think for yourself.

    Educate yourself.

    Use COMMON SENSE.

    ALLAH (swt) told us this was gonna happen when he made it happen to the others that changed the word of God.

    Think for yourself.
     
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  2. Ellen Brown

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    As Salaam Alaikum
    I was Sunni but never cared what sort of Muslim anyone was. These days I have many arguments against Fatwas. I thought the Hadith was Sayings of Muhammad PBUH and his life?

    These days I am a sort of "Quran Only" Muslim. Islam is as much chaos as Christianity is. May Allah SWT help us?
     
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  3. Conscious thoughts

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    I like your OP :)
     
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  4. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    I agree
     
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  5. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Sigh. I can't help but feel sorry for the Ahadith. Raised without a vote to an utterly unfair position, saddled with expectations that never made any sense, damned to forever be the refuge of the unreasonable and the whipping boy of the even less reasonable.

    And all that for what? For protecting the reputation of the very Qur'an that made their existence both necessary and unavoidable.

    Many Ahadith are of course very misguided indeed. But attempting to sacrifice them to the benefit of the Qur'an and of the theocratic doctrine of Islaam is no help for anyone.
     
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  6. Wasp

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    3:165 "Allah has indeed already been bounteous to the believers as He sent forth among them a Messenger from (among) themselves (who) recites to them His ayat (i.e., signs, verses) and cleanses them, and teaches them the Book and (the) Wisdom; and decidedly they were earlier indeed in evident error."

    33:22 "Indeed you have already had a fair example, in the Messenger of Allah, for whoever hopes for Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much."

    59:7 "whatever booty Allah gives to His Messenger from city dwellers belongs to Allah and to the Messenger and to near relatives and orphans and the very poor and travellers, so that it does not become something which merely revolves between the rich among you. Whatever the Messenger gives you you should accept and whatever he forbids you you should forgo. Have taqwa of Allah — Allah is severe in retribution."

    You can't understand the quran without relying on hadith.
     
  7. shunyadragon

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    If you are willing to 'really' think for yourself one would be a humanist.

    The reality is that Islam is divided into diverse conflicting, and contradictory sects, and sometimes violently divided. In the contemporary world Islam does not offer consistent unified spiritual guidance. It is a religion of the past.
     
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  8. EyE_OpEnEr_22

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    Sir, if that's what you believe then that's what you believe and I can't take that from you. Regardless, we're all human and we should all be treating each other as such. May peace be upon you and yours, my friend.

    One Love
     
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  9. EyE_OpEnEr_22

    EyE_OpEnEr_22 New Member

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    I had my revelation and you've probably had yours. We can argue all day but in the end, it's what is in your heart that matters and that matter is between you and your maker. I'm not saying you wrong. Who am I to say that? If that's what you believe then that's what you believe but you're still my fellow human. Until you do something to hurt me, I have no reason to treat you other than my brother/sister.
     
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    To me, the Quran is very clearly NOT a book of peace, but a book of war. If the Quran is your only guide, I'm confused as to how you can follow it AND treat non-believers as brothers and sisters, since that's very clearly NOT the theme of the book?

    That said, I appreciate your peaceful intentions.
     
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    I don't agree that the Quran is a book of war, for the righteous Muslims they read it with peace in mind and i don't think it is wrong to see the peaceful Muslims as my brother or sister either.
    Does the Quran contain warlike verses yes it does, But for a righteous Muslim they will have fous on being good toward others (IMHO)
     
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    I believe you are correct. What that means however, is that those who read it with a peaceful intent came to the book with that peaceful intent already in their hearts, and they have to cherry-pick the book dramatically to find a peaceful intent in it. The book does not support a person with peaceful intentions. The peaceful must work hard to extract a peaceful intention from the book. Because, as I said earlier, if you take the entire book at face value, it is a book of war.
     
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    I have read the Quran a few times and yes it says some about killing and some of war, But I did find a lot of good in it myself. Personally i do not see Islam or Muslims as evil as so many people do today. But yes, unfortunately, there are extremists who "only" see the war things in it and use that as an excuse to do evil deeds. Maybe many judge Mohammad for being a warrior too and this makes it impossible for them to see that actually he could change and become peaceful after realizing Allah. But i can be wrong in my view here of course
     
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    I don't have to cherry pick anything.
     
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    In that case, you must despise non-Muslims, because the Quran advises you to do so over 500 times.
     
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    No, I did not, nor did I ever want any. I am not personally a proponent of revelations.


    Except that I am an atheist. I don't know how that affects this statement of yours.

    Fair and good. But I took it that you disagreed with something that I wrote?
     
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    With all due respect, I think that you would do well to learn more about the Qur'an and Islaam.
     
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    Yes i can always learn more. Maybe some who are Muslim would like to give me a website i could use to study the Quran better?
     
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    If religion did not exist at all in the World there would be just as many wars and senseless acts of violence. Religion did not create human nature. Educate yourself. People wage war for many reasons most of which have to do with the frustrations of living in poverty without any hope for a better future. It has nothing to do with religion. Power corrupts. People speaking in the language of religion has nothing to do with it.
     
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    Which hadith teaches this? Can you provide a reference?
     
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