Is there any Christian material of "how" he kept the laws that he kept?
I really haven't searched for this. Maybe it would be a good thing if you read the 4 gospels in light of the laws and see if it could be assumed that he did by deduction?
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Is there any Christian material of "how" he kept the laws that he kept?
Is it considered questionable behavior in Judaism to never get a divorce? Would it seem like a bad sign if nobody was getting a divorce, like creepy and fake? Is divorce a sort of checkbox you're supposed to tick off?You missed getting married, having children, teaching them Torah and getting divorced.
Questions to Christians.
I have seen a claim that Jesus was sinless or that he fulfilled the Torah. My questions are as follows.
Thanks in advance.
- Are you saying that Jesus actually did the entire 613 mitzvoth of the Torah himself?
- If not, are you saying that while he was living, he did all the ~20 mitzvoth, from the Torah, that a regular Jewish man performs daily?
- Did Jesus wear tefillin? If so, what type?
- Did he include the 10 commandments in his tefillin?
- Did he wear tzitzit? If so, with techelet or without it?
- What animal did he use for the techelet?
- Did he do birkat hamazon? If so, what words did he say?
- Did he bring Qorban for every Hag? (Pesah, Shavuoth, Sukkoth)
- Did he give a half sheqel? How many times?
- Are you saying that Jesus, while he was living, performed the mitzvoth of a Nazir?
- Are you saying that Jesus, while he was living, perform the mitzvoth required of a Jewish king?
- Did he write the two Torah scrolls that Jewish kings were required to write, per the Torah? If so, what happened to them? Did his disciples take them and use them?
- Lastly, if none of the above are valid, or not clear, what is your definition of a sin?
- I.e. what specific sins are you saying he did not commit?
- What was his day to day schedule? From morning until night what non-sins was he doing?
What was their schedule for the Sabbath? From what time until what time they consider it to be the Sabbath?
Were they lunar Sabbath keepers?
Did they do fishing on the Sabbath?
Did they have their own synagogue?
Did they use a particular Torah scroll type?
Did they use the 1 year reading cycle of the Torah or the 3 year cycle?
Did they bake bread on the Sabbath? Did they cook on the Sabbath?
What things did they not do on Sabbath or did they consider everyone to choose what they wanted to do or not do on the Sabbath?
or did they simple do what other Jews did, with a different set of opinions on why they did what they did?
Questions to Christians.
I have seen a claim that Jesus was sinless or that he fulfilled the Torah. My questions are as follows.
Thanks in advance.
- Are you saying that Jesus actually did the entire 613 mitzvoth of the Torah himself?
- If not, are you saying that while he was living, he did all the ~20 mitzvoth, from the Torah, that a regular Jewish man performs daily?
- Did Jesus wear tefillin? If so, what type?
- Did he include the 10 commandments in his tefillin?
- Did he wear tzitzit? If so, with techelet or without it?
- What animal did he use for the techelet?
- Did he do birkat hamazon? If so, what words did he say?
- Did he bring Qorban for every Hag? (Pesah, Shavuoth, Sukkoth)
- Did he give a half sheqel? How many times?
- Are you saying that Jesus, while he was living, performed the mitzvoth of a Nazir?
- Are you saying that Jesus, while he was living, perform the mitzvoth required of a Jewish king?
- Did he write the two Torah scrolls that Jewish kings were required to write, per the Torah? If so, what happened to them? Did his disciples take them and use them?
- Lastly, if none of the above are valid, or not clear, what is your definition of a sin?
- I.e. what specific sins are you saying he did not commit?
- What was his day to day schedule? From morning until night what non-sins was he doing?
That’s quite a list. I don’t know. I believe Jesus always fulfilled the will of his Father. He never violated the will of God. That makes him sinless.Questions to Christians.
I have seen a claim that Jesus was sinless or that he fulfilled the Torah. My questions are as follows.
Thanks in advance.
- Are you saying that Jesus actually did the entire 613 mitzvoth of the Torah himself?
- If not, are you saying that while he was living, he did all the ~20 mitzvoth, from the Torah, that a regular Jewish man performs daily?
- Did Jesus wear tefillin? If so, what type?
- Did he include the 10 commandments in his tefillin?
- Did he wear tzitzit? If so, with techelet or without it?
- What animal did he use for the techelet?
- Did he do birkat hamazon? If so, what words did he say?
- Did he bring Qorban for every Hag? (Pesah, Shavuoth, Sukkoth)
- Did he give a half sheqel? How many times?
- Are you saying that Jesus, while he was living, performed the mitzvoth of a Nazir?
- Are you saying that Jesus, while he was living, perform the mitzvoth required of a Jewish king?
- Did he write the two Torah scrolls that Jewish kings were required to write, per the Torah? If so, what happened to them? Did his disciples take them and use them?
- Lastly, if none of the above are valid, or not clear, what is your definition of a sin?
- I.e. what specific sins are you saying he did not commit?
- What was his day to day schedule? From morning until night what non-sins was he doing?
No, not at all. It's just that if you do end up wanting/needing a divorce, there's a commandment to do it with a special divorce document. So if you claim that you or someone else fulfilled all the commandments, that would have to be included...Is it considered questionable behavior in Judaism to never get a divorce? Would it seem like a bad sign if nobody was getting a divorce, like creepy and fake? Is divorce a sort of checkbox you're supposed to tick off?
I really haven't searched for this. Maybe it would be a good thing if you read the 4 gospels in light of the laws and see if it could be assumed that he did by deduction?
Did Moses wear little boxes on his body?
Did King David wear little boxes? Did Isaiah? Did Elijah?
Probably not - neither did Jesus. He lived the words contained in those funny little boxes.
What I love about Jesus is that He went beyond symbols and captured the essence of God's
commandments. And He passed on to us - not ritual, not law, not Jewish customs but Godliness.
That’s quite a list. I don’t know. I believe Jesus always fulfilled the will of his Father. He never violated the will of God. That makes him sinless.
Hi,
Tefillin:
Deut 6:8 was never meant to be taken literally, just as parallel texts such as Ex 13:9 or prov 3:3.
To wear the Tefillin correctly a Jew as to follow at least 20 other laws, all of them man made, before being accepted by the Rabbis.
The literal obligation to wear a box on the head is a practice that is unreasonable and falls under Jesus critisism that they were following their own man made tradition instead of God's law.Jesus said"All the works they do they do to be viewed by men, for they broaden the scripture containing cases that they wear as safeguards, and enlarge the fringes of their garments".
Techelet
This blue wool, known as tekhelet, was the hallmark of nobility, and in line with the tallit's purpose of reminding the Jew that he is a member of G‑d 's "kingdom of priests.". Similar to the tzitzit we don't know if Jesus wore a purple thread on his garment. Wearing the tekhelet was not part of the Mosaic law.
So, you are saying that according to Christianity Jesus did not wear tefillin and neither did Mosheh or any Israeli prior the about 2,500 years ago. Interesting.
So, how did Jesus perform or interpret/teach the meaning of the word (טטפות) Totophoth that is in the Hebrew text of the Torah? Also, do you beleive that he did not wear (ציצית) tzitzith? Thanks for your comment.
God's word should be written in our hearts - but that doesn't mean open heart surgery for the
purpose of getting tattoos on our heats. And if it was - would it make any difference?
And if God's word is to be written in our hands and we get scraps of paper tied to our hands,
does that make any difference? Is that what God wanted, a people walking around covered
in leather boxes?
This is what Jesus hated - this transference of spiritual things to symbolic worship that said
little about the person performing it. It's kind of evading the issues, really.
So, if I understand you correctly Jesus' view was that many of the mitzvoth were spirtual metaphors with no practical thing to actually do. Does this include the mitzvoth concerning work on the Sabbath or building the Mishkan? Which mitzvoth did Jesus consider to have an actual literal application? How did Jesus' diffriciate between something that was metaphor and something that was literal? Thanks in advnace.
There are three aspects to the Tanakh. The Commandments (do unto others what you would have them do unto you)
the Ordinances (what you refer to here) and the Judgements (inheritance, taxation etc..)
Jesus gave full weight to the Commandments. That's spelled out in Matthew 5,6 and 7.
Jesus said, as the Tanakh said, that God doesn't dwell in temples made with hands. To make that point the Temple was
completely removed. I see the Sabbath as being a part of the Commandments.
Thanks for your answer. So my next question is, when you say he kept the law perfectly do you mean the following:
Thanks.
- He wore tefillin every day, except for the Sabbath and the festivals.
- Did he follow the school of thought to wear tefillin on the intermediate days of Passover or the school of thought to not wear them during the intermediate days?
- He had a clear a standard definition he held by for what considered work on the Sabbath and he did not do work on the Sabbath.
- What was his source for what was work on the Sabbath and what was not?
- He wore wore his tzitzit with the blue thread.
- What did he consider to be a (or the) correct source for producing the blue color?
- After every meal he praised the Creator, as Moses commanded.
- Did he do this for all foods or only specific meals?
So, there were commands in the Torah (like the Temple) that Jesus was saying were to be done away with. Were there any others he felt were to be removed? Also, if Jesus saw the Sabbath as a part of the Commandments what he saying was the correct way to do the Sabbath? For example, what were the definitions he used for what was and wasn't work? Thanks.
Questions to Christians.
I have seen a claim that Jesus was sinless or that he fulfilled the Torah. My questions are as follows.
Thanks in advance.
- Are you saying that Jesus actually did the entire 613 mitzvoth of the Torah himself?
- If not, are you saying that while he was living, he did all the ~20 mitzvoth, from the Torah, that a regular Jewish man performs daily?
- Did Jesus wear tefillin? If so, what type?
- Did he include the 10 commandments in his tefillin?
- Did he wear tzitzit? If so, with techelet or without it?
- What animal did he use for the techelet?
- Did he do birkat hamazon? If so, what words did he say?
- Did he bring Qorban for every Hag? (Pesah, Shavuoth, Sukkoth)
- Did he give a half sheqel? How many times?
- Are you saying that Jesus, while he was living, performed the mitzvoth of a Nazir?
- Are you saying that Jesus, while he was living, perform the mitzvoth required of a Jewish king?
- Did he write the two Torah scrolls that Jewish kings were required to write, per the Torah? If so, what happened to them? Did his disciples take them and use them?
- Lastly, if none of the above are valid, or not clear, what is your definition of a sin?
- I.e. what specific sins are you saying he did not commit?
- What was his day to day schedule? From morning until night what non-sins was he doing?
Why would He have had to perform the mitzvoth of a Nazir to fulfill all of the Law? The Law is exemplified by two of its points, love God, love your neighbor.