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Prove that the Bible is from God!

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Genna, Aug 24, 2006.

  1. TashaN

    TashaN Veteran Member
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    I'm attacking no one.

    [1] Alif Lam Ra. These are the Symbols (or Verses) of the Perspicuous Book.


    [2] We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur-an, in order that ye may learn wisdom. (Surah 12:1-2)

    Nonetheless, there is no such a thing called "the bible" in the bible itself. Done.

    Did he even mention the OT? what is your point here? just for imitating my pervious post? :p

    This is not true and you have no prove for what you claim.
     
  2. Snowbear

    Snowbear Nita Okhata

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    My point is that you are being VERY disrespectful of the beliefs of others. As you well know, the Bible is considered the Word of God by Christians. Continuously attacking the Bible as you do in this and other threads in an attempt to discredit it is mean spirited and disrespectful.
     
  3. TashaN

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    I was just talking about Paul who made that statment in your perviopus post because many Christians don't believe in what he added to the bible.

    You have to know that i believe in the words given to Moses by God (Torah) an the words given to Jesus Christ by God (Injil), and i can't be a muslim if i didn't believe in Jesus Christ.

    Anyway, I'm sorry if that offended you and accept my apology. I thought religious forum is to discuss people's veiw in various religions and if i think even for a moment that would offend you, i wouldn't about to say a thing about it.
     
  4. TashaN

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    I have to go now to study for my exam but i promise to come back in here.

    You can find some answers in here until i come back again.

    http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36419

    You can start a new thread about what you just mentioned and i'll be glad to answer you there because your questions are irrelevant to the topic at hand, i guess.

    see you soon. :)
     
  5. doppelganger

    doppelganger Through the Looking Glass

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    That Paul wrote the epistle commonly called "2 Timothy" is substantially disputed.

    It is one of the "Pastoral Epistles" (along with "1 Timothy" and "Titus") that make no appearance in any extant writings until those of Ireneaus ca. 170 C.E. Many scholars believe that the style of these "letters" and the use of certain terms indicate an origin in the second half of the second century.

    the doppleganger
     
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  6. Halcyon

    Halcyon Lord of the Badgers

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    :clap Quite right. In fact, there are those who think Irenaeus wrote them himself!
     
  7. maro

    maro muslimah

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    some one asked what is the proof that the bible is the book of god
    I don't have that proof

    but I have the proof that it is not

    it's not only written by people,
    but by ignorant people, as it cotradicts all scientific facts
    and of course allah (the great creator) wouldn't ignore what he has created

    also, they were not only ignorant, but also they were stupid
    because what they have written contradicts itself sometimes,
    and contradicts common sense other times

    the true bible sent by Allah was distorted by those
    and that's why we can't rely on it as God's word anymore

    and her is an example of what I am saying:

    while scientists have confirmed that animals inherit their colors and stripes from their parents (through DNA)
    the bible says something else:
    in Genesis 30:37-42
    the bible explains how baby goats will have stripes while if their parents were mating ,and looking at upright rods,

    Alright,
    if science is too much for the bible,
    let's try common sense

    common sense says that the sun illuminates Earth, and that without sunlight, darkness will cover Earth

    Is there anything simpler?

    but the bible says something else, in Genesis 1:1-31 the bible explains how the sun is related to day and night,
    and that God created the light and darknesson Earth,

    the first evening came and the first morning followed,
    but God didn't create the sun untill the fourth day, specifically after 3 evenings and 3 mornings,

    so according to the bible daylight occurs without the sun

    another thing,
    some one claimed that prophet Muhammed has written the quran
    but Actually prophet Muhammed_peace be upon him _was an illeterate man
    he never read or wrote anything in his whole life

    and actually,no other human being could have ever wrote the quran
    because this book is a miracle from allah
    as some of its verses agrees with the modernly dicoverd scientific facts, which no one could ever known 1400 years ago

    no one but the creator himself
     
  8. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    That wasn't an example of science, though; that was an example of magic. Jacob was doing magic.
     
  9. shema

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    Faith is the evidence of things unseen, Faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God.
     
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  11. roli

    roli Born Again,Spirit Filled

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    As irrational as this may sound to the human mind
    God is Spirit ,we are flesh and blood and in the natural and finite state we cannot understand ,comprehend,or explain who He is or what He did ,is doing and is about to do,by our mere intellect,logic and reasoning mind.
    As infuriating as that may be that is how God is understand and followed,by the spirit
    What liberty. Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

    1Cor 2:12-14 We (born again Christians)have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    As difficult as this may be to fully understand and accept from a mainstream society perspective, it is however a key to understand the truth of God,of who He is ,what He came to do and the truth of His word and that it is impossible for Him to reveal himself fully to man until that man recieves the Holy Spirit.
    When people take a hold of this truth, questions,doubts and skeptism will cease,until that happens the truth of God will remain in a state of circular reasoning.
    Jhn 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
    Man in his natural state is separated from God and the truth and confirmation of who he is,as He is Spirit and we are flesh and blood.
    The natural man (the man without the spirit of God dwelling in them) have limited knowledge and ability to comprehend the spiritual things of God, how can we explain the truths of God and make such bold assertions that they are not true when we are limited to this natural relam and not in the relam of the Spirit as He is.
    Read John 3:
    All man seems to do in his natural state is rebell ,refute, and defy the laws and truths of God from a position of ignorance,and humanism and only able to function with human reasoning, when the things of God can and only will be understand when we are born from above, that which is of the Spirit .

    2nd Part of your assertion
    Why God uses various interpretations to witness his accounts is for Him to answer.
    Jesus had 12 disciples,who were obviously individuals with different characters,gifts,perceptions,origins who all witnessed their own personal relationship,experience,and account of what they saw Jesus do from their perspective.

    It would be interesting to know if you have ever read and studied various articles on the same topic, I would assume you used various authors and sources,to give you a better perspective,otherwise you would be limited in the truth and facts of that particular topic.
    If you have ever researched or studied 1 topic by using various sources than you contradict yourself and your line of thought.
    Jesus is the topic and the Gospels as well as the Epistles are various accounts of the topic Jesus,as they percieved it to be.


    Just as if you and I and 10 others who witnessed the NASA shuttle launch,live on site and then were asked to give an eye witness account,personal testimony to a reporter, do you honestly think we would all give identical accounts,I highly doubt it

    It is interesting that so many use such unsubstantiated claims to refute God and Jesus when such statements seem to hold no weight.
     
  12. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Why do Christians kill Muslims? Why do atheists kill either of the preceeding two?
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    :biglaugh:The Bible can't be God-inspired because it isn't a science textbook. The Bible can't be God-inspired because it relies on literary devices, such as metaphor and poetry. The Bible can't be God-inspired because it includes humanity by being written through the lens of human understanding. The Bible can't be God-inspired because it won't stand up to a shallow, uninformed, literalistic reading, along with poor scholarship. The Bible can't be God-inspired, because the Koran is God-inspired.

    That's your "proof?" Wow. :eek:
     
  14. Snowbear

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    So you're saying the book just appeared out of nowhere... written in Arabic?? Or was it in a flash of lightning??? Or did the angel in the cave hand it, already written and organized in the order it is today, to Muhammed??
     
  15. Genna

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    ok, I heard a muslim state that God allowed the bible to be tampered with and corrupted, why? Why would God allow Christians to be fooled? Didn't Islam appear centuries after Christianity? So God allowed the Christians who never lived to see this final revelation from God to die in a state of error? hmmm....
     
  16. gnostic

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    The books and letters are not written by God, but by men, and no doubt some of these edited over times. God may have spoken through the writings, when he is issuing commands or revelating something, but it is men who write them, either prophet or scholar.

    Christians and Muslims who believe that God write a single line of text are fools. The original tablets of Ten Commandment may have been written by God, but that has long been lost, and only the contents are recorded. Whether the words in the Bible, when speaking to the prophets belonged to God or not, is debatable.

    God or Allah didn't write a single thing in the Qur'an too. Likewise in the Qur'an, whether the words belonged to Allah or not, is debatable.

    Anyone taking the holy scriptures seriously, in regarding to them being the words of God, whether he be Yahweh or Allah, is matter of faith.
     
  17. choirboy

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    The bible was written by people in the desert and is collection of stories mostly inherited from other cultures and religions. It is not historically accurate. My understanding is that the biblical history of the jews doesn't not concord with any of the real history of the jews.
    The great flood is a myth taken from the bablylonians. The canonites were not the oppressors of the jews but were actually the group from which the jews came. Jews are basically arabs.

    As for the new testement. Any actual evidence Jesus existed has been found to have been fabricated. Almost all biblical scholars now believe that Jesus never existed and the story is in fact a combination of roman Mithraic religion, zoroastrianism and the the jewish messiah prophecy. It may interest you to know that the center of roman mithraic power was at the vatican, their leader was called the Pope and the priests wore the same ceremonial head gear as catholic priests do today. Mitrhas birth was also worshipped on the 25th of December.

    Is the bible from god. It is a book that evolves and continues to evolve. The latest addition is the Koran (for muslims). Which is itself a combination of paganism and judaism. If it is the word of god then it should be true. Which is not true since it massively contradicts itself and is historicaly incorrect.
     
  18. choirboy

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    Its amazing. The bible is completely flawed as a historical document.

    And yet we are constantly having problems because of this flawed history.
     
  19. Genna

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    Why are muslims so adamant in stating that the Koran is a flawless revelation from God?
     
  20. Booko

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    Because, unlike the scriptures of every religion before Islam, there is no question, nor has they ever been any serious debate, over whether parts of the Qu'ran are "authentic" or not.

    Unlike prior scriptures, the verses in the Qu'ran were written down at the time and compiled a *little* later into one book.

    It wasn't the situation where a century later, someone got around to writing down the info, after other embellishments had maybe been added.

    Now, whether this history of the text of the Qu'ran makes it a "flawless" revelation is something one can debate, but not because the authenticity of the text is in question.

    Hope this helps.
     
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