Proof of Islam?

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Secular society has laws against crime, theft, accusation, treachery and lying, the care of children, and the state cares for orphans.

As far as the rest go, many things are counter-intuitive, and secular states have learned through real world examples why putting prohibition into the law of the land for example, does not work.

I acknowledge your point that it is good to have positive role models, and so long as they are not presented as real historical narratives, the role models of the Quran are fine for that.

I also acknowledge that it is fine to have laws such as prohibition of alcohol, gambling etc as part of personal honour codes, they only become a problem when they are inserted into the law of the land. Which brings us to the problem of the Quran which is that it purports to be the correct foundation for the law of the land.

I don't think the gangsterism that ended Prohibition and the idea "Why shouldn't we officially profit from taxable intoxicants that lead to tons of cases of crime, domestic abuse, car accidents, addiction instead of the criminal black market?" really applies to the important aspect of making it seem like a religious prohibition rather than a secular and arbitrary seeming one. The seriousness with which the idea of it being madeca religious taboo adds an element to it that is lacking otherwise. Under Islamic style mentality, Capone and other gangster scum selling drugs illegally would've simply been mass murdered, they were userers too (profiting from high interest loans), having them weave and wind their way through impotent legal proceedings instead of just getting murdered and preferably thrown in a pit and burned like they deserved.

The legal system also is blocked from interfering in a lot of ethical issues which would be shunned by society and have legal consequences as well, such as the kind of society produced by drunken sexual liaisons and children born and breaking up and cheating and pre-marital relations and all that.

For myself though, I don't think an Islamic or Qur'anic system is possible or feasible since corrupt psychopaths always pursue and sneak into positions of power and corrupt systems. So, ideal for me personally is some kind of socialist style hybrid government that I can rip off and seek benefits from and protections from which is otherwise non-invasive, I never hear from them or they from me, we leave each other entirely alone, and I can freely enjoy whatever I wish or like, and practice my strange pleasures as I wish without anyone watching or caring. The only problem is when I'm crammed in with other scumbags and their trashiness and forced to tolerate them when I'd rather they drop dead. In that case I enjoy things like drug overdose epidemics and whatever, since I've watched drugs, drug users, drug dealers and thugs destroy numerous peaceful communities and terrorize the elderly and everyone without the police able to do much of anything about it. It really sucks.

 

[danieldemol]

Under Islamic style mentality, Capone and other gangster scum selling drugs illegally would've simply been mass murdered, they were userers too (profiting from high interest loans), having them weave and wind their way through impotent legal proceedings instead of just getting murdered and preferably thrown in a pit and burned like they deserved.

You don’t seem to have much faith in the legal system, however without it there is nothing to stop corrupt powerful people from simply baselessly accusing their enemies and rivals and killing them under that pretext.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

You don’t seem to have much faith in the legal system, however without it there is nothing to stop corrupt powerful people from simply baselessly accusing their enemies and rivals and killing them under that pretext.

That is very true. The reason I don't have much faith in the legal system is how it never seemed to benefit or help people I encountered, giving an advantage to people with more money who could afford better lawyers and representation, draining funds from the poor, and lots of unfair tricks and rules which end up dissapointing people or not allowing real fair play or justice occur. I think laws are good, but twisted, broken, and bloated legal systems are often little help or protection to the commoner or the poor in many countries and due to being more hassle than they are worth, avoided by people who find other ways to deal with obstructions and foes. This is even more threatening in a society where there is no superstition present that might withhold someone from receiving support due to stigma or ethical issues that may be defying a law considered sanctified by a higher authority than some changeable human, even if it really is just the Wizard of Oz.

 

[WonderingWorrier]

My thoughts are that he had to be either deluded or a con-man if he proclaimed himself as the second coming of Christ or the messiah. He fulfilled no prophecies for either of those as did Baha'u'llah. He was not even tied in with the Abrahamic line of religion, thus not descended from Abraham.

This is what Christ meant when He said that many false Christs would come in his name claiming to be the return.

If he taught all Gods are one God and all religions are one religion 'in my opinion' he probably stole this teaching from Baha'u'llah in order to garner followers and start a new religion.

A dead giveaway that a man is an imposter if if he seeks followers for himself and takes credit for being a spiritual leader instead of giving credit to God and serving God. That is how we can assuredly know he is not a real Messenger of God.

Listen to yourself and what you have said.

I did read the book you linked for me that shows the prophecies that Baha'u'llah fulfilled.
I guess you have also read that book and you are familiar with what it says.

I know the year Sathya Sai Bada appeared was also a year that Christ was widely calculated to return. But the year 2000 or the year 2012 was also well known. Even this year is a calculation. You can find calculations for the date of Christs return for any year that you choose to look for.

There are lots of connecting dots to prophecy like the 1844 invention of the telegraph which started to send lightning across the world.



The book states Baha'u'llah fulfilled prophecies as his name actually means "The glory of God".
The Glory of God that is spoken of in the bible.

"Bahá’u’lláh came to Israel, where he declared that all men were the sheep of one sacred fold, that his mission was to gather the scattered ‘lambs’ of God into one family, one mankind. His name means ‘the Glory of God’".

Saying the name Baha'u'llah means the Glory of God is repeated many times in the book.

Perhaps the writer did not know about a man named Mírzá Ḥusayn-ʻAlí Núrí.
The man who changed his own name to Baha'u'llah.

Mirza Husayn-‘Ali Nuri came to believe that he was the Messenger predicted by the Bab and called himself Baha’u’lla, meaning ‘The Glory of God’.
Baha’u’lla Declares his Mission | History Today


Do you think Baha'u'llah was aware of prophecies and took credit for being the spiritual leader that is spoken of?

Like the book says:

"Bahá’u’lláh informed the monarchs of the world by whose authority he spoke, saying: “I am the One Whom the tongue of Isaiah hath extolled, the One with Whose name both the Torah [of Moses] and the Evangel [of Christ] were adorned …”"


These are couple of things in that book that I agree with:

"There was only one more obstacle to overcome. This hurdle faces every person who sincerely follows Christ’s command to: “Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.”1 If I were successful in overcoming this next obstacle, I felt that I would have without doubt solved for all time this century-old mystery of the return of Christ. The obstacle could be stated in four words: ‘Beware of false prophets!’"

"The followers of Jesus explained to the people that these prophecies concerning Christ had been fulfilled ‘inwardly’ not ‘outwardly’; that these prophecies were to be understood symbolically and not literally. The people, however, refused to accept such an explanation".




The book talks about the mountain and the stars and interprets them as prophecies fulfilled by Baha'u'llah.

I have showed the mountain. I have showed the stars as figs. I have showed that not all men are sheep. I have showed many things. I show my inward interpretation. Not an outward interpretation.

The signs, miracles, and prophecies are experienced and fulfilled as the words appear in their positions.

I listen very carefully to you. Do you listen to me?

Am I wrong?

 

[Trailblazer]

You can find calculations for the date of Christs return for any year that you choose to look for.

Maybe, so you would have to do your own research to determine what you believe. Here us a lengthy chapter on that subject:

10: TRADITIONAL PROOFS EXEMPLIFIED FROM THE BOOK OF DANIEL

There are lots of connecting dots to prophecy like the 1844 invention of the telegraph which started to send lightning across the world.

The book states Baha'u'llah fulfilled prophecies as his name actually means "The glory of God".
The Glory of God that is spoken of in the bible.

"Bahá’u’lláh came to Israel, where he declared that all men were the sheep of one sacred fold, that his mission was to gather the scattered ‘lambs’ of God into one family, one mankind. His name means ‘the Glory of God’".

Saying the name Baha'u'llah means the Glory of God is repeated many times in the book.

Perhaps the writer did not know about a man named Mírzá Ḥusayn-ʻAlí Núrí.
The man who changed his own name to Baha'u'llah.

Mirza Husayn-‘Ali Nuri came to believe that he was the Messenger predicted by the Bab and called himself Baha’u’lla, meaning ‘The Glory of God’.
Baha’u’lla Declares his Mission | History Today

Mírzá Ḥusayn-ʻAlí Núrí did not change His name to Baha'u'llah. The Bab gave Baha’u’llah that name, meaning the Glory of God. Thus Baha’u’llah received the name from the Bab, in accordance with the NT.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Maybe what that author in the History Today article meant is that later (after Baha'u'llah received the name from the Bab) He called Himself by that name.

What actually happened is explained in the following two books which chronicle the history of the Bab and Baha’u’llah.

The Dawn-Breakers Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation

God Passes By (1844-1944)

To explain in brief, Baha'u'llah recognized the claims of the Bab to be the fulfillment of Islamic prophecy and then Baha’u’llah voiced His support for the Bab to Islamic clerics and for that He was thrown in the Black Pit prison where He had a vision of the Maid of Heaven, His first intimations of a Revelation from God.

Meanwhile, the Bab knew from God that One greater than Himself was coming, and the Bab called Him Him Whom God shall make manifest.

“This is a letter from God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting, unto God, the Almighty, the Best Beloved, to affirm that the Bayán and such as bear allegiance to it are but a present from me unto Thee and to express my undoubting faith that there is no God but Thee, that the kingdoms of Creation and Revelation are Thine, that no one can attain anything save by Thy power and that He Whom Thou hast raised up is but Thy servant and Thy Testimony. I, indeed, beg to address Him Whom God shall make manifest, by Thy leave in these words: ‘Shouldst Thou dismiss the entire company of the followers of the Bayán in the Day of the Latter Resurrection by a mere sign of Thy finger even while still a suckling babe, Thou wouldst indeed be praised in Thy indication. And though no doubt is there about it, do Thou grant a respite of nineteen years as a token of Thy favour so that those who have embraced this Cause may be graciously rewarded by Thee. Thou art verily the Lord of grace abounding.”
Selections From the Writings of the Báb, pp. 6-7

Exactly nineteen years later……

Bahá'u'lláh claimed that his mission as the Promised One of the Báb, was revealed to Him in 1853 while imprisoned in the Síyáh-Chál in Tehran, Iran.[4] After his release from the Síyáh-Chál, Bahá'u'lláh was banished from Persia, and he settled in Baghdad, which became the centre of Bábí activity. Although he did not openly declare this prophetic mandate, he increasingly became the leader of the Bábí community.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridvan

I have showed the mountain. I have showed the stars as figs. I have showed that not all men are sheep. I have showed many things. I show my inward interpretation. Not an outward interpretation.

The signs, miracles, and prophecies are experienced and fulfilled as the words appear in their positions.

I listen very carefully to you. Do you listen to me?
Am I wrong?

I do listen to you, but I am not sure I understand what you are asking. Part of the problem is an extreme sleep deficit so I am not thinking as clearly as usual, so I am struggling just to respond to posts. But feel free to tell or ask me anything again and hopefully I will be more coherent by then.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Maybe, so you would have to do your own research to determine what you believe. Here us a lengthy chapter on that subject:

10: TRADITIONAL PROOFS EXEMPLIFIED FROM THE BOOK OF DANIEL

Mírzá Ḥusayn-ʻAlí Núrí did not change His name to Baha'u'llah. The Bab gave Baha’u’llah that name, meaning the Glory of God. Thus Baha’u’llah received the name from the Bab, in accordance with the NT.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Maybe what that author in the History Today article meant is that later (after Baha'u'llah received the name from the Bab) He called Himself by that name.

What actually happened is explained in the following two books which chronicle the history of the Bab and Baha’u’llah.

The Dawn-Breakers Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation

God Passes By (1844-1944)

To explain in brief, Baha'u'llah recognized the claims of the Bab to be the fulfillment of Islamic prophecy and then Baha’u’llah voiced His support for the Bab to Islamic clerics and for that He was thrown in the Black Pit prison where He had a vision of the Maid of Heaven, His first intimations of a Revelation from God.

Meanwhile, the Bab knew from God that One greater than Himself was coming, and the Bab called Him Him Whom God shall make manifest.

“This is a letter from God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting, unto God, the Almighty, the Best Beloved, to affirm that the Bayán and such as bear allegiance to it are but a present from me unto Thee and to express my undoubting faith that there is no God but Thee, that the kingdoms of Creation and Revelation are Thine, that no one can attain anything save by Thy power and that He Whom Thou hast raised up is but Thy servant and Thy Testimony. I, indeed, beg to address Him Whom God shall make manifest, by Thy leave in these words: ‘Shouldst Thou dismiss the entire company of the followers of the Bayán in the Day of the Latter Resurrection by a mere sign of Thy finger even while still a suckling babe, Thou wouldst indeed be praised in Thy indication. And though no doubt is there about it, do Thou grant a respite of nineteen years as a token of Thy favour so that those who have embraced this Cause may be graciously rewarded by Thee. Thou art verily the Lord of grace abounding.”
Selections From the Writings of the Báb, pp. 6-7

Exactly nineteen years later……

Bahá'u'lláh claimed that his mission as the Promised One of the Báb, was revealed to Him in 1853 while imprisoned in the Síyáh-Chál in Tehran, Iran.[4] After his release from the Síyáh-Chál, Bahá'u'lláh was banished from Persia, and he settled in Baghdad, which became the centre of Bábí activity. Although he did not openly declare this prophetic mandate, he increasingly became the leader of the Bábí community.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridvan

I do listen to you, but I am not sure I understand what you are asking. Part of the problem is an extreme sleep deficit so I am not thinking as clearly as usual, so I am struggling just to respond to posts. But feel free to tell or ask me anything again and hopefully I will be more coherent by then.

Did Bab personally meet Baha'Ullah?

 

[Trailblazer]

Did Bab personally meet Baha'Ullah?

No, they never met.

Contact with the Báb

In 1844, just 3 months after the Báb's declaration, Mulla Husayn carried a scroll of the Báb's to Bahá'u'lláh.

On reading it, Bahá'u'lláh recognised the claims of the Báb and at the age of 27 became his follower.

From then on, although they never met, Bahá'u'lláh and the Báb were in constant correspondence and when the Báb knew that he would soon die, he sent his pens, seals and papers to Bahá'u'lláh.

It was at Bahá'u'lláh's explicit instructions that the remains of the Báb were removed from Tabriz to Tihran and hidden in a place of safety.

BBC - Religions - Bahai: Bahá'u'lláh

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

No, they never met.

Contact with the Báb

In 1844, just 3 months after the Báb's declaration, Mulla Husayn carried a scroll of the Báb's to Bahá'u'lláh.

On reading it, Bahá'u'lláh recognised the claims of the Báb and at the age of 27 became his follower.

From then on, although they never met, Bahá'u'lláh and the Báb were in constant correspondence and when the Báb knew that he would soon die, he sent his pens, seals and papers to Bahá'u'lláh.

It was at Bahá'u'lláh's explicit instructions that the remains of the Báb were removed from Tabriz to Tihran and hidden in a place of safety.

BBC - Religions - Bahai: Bahá'u'lláh

At least they directly communicated and he was made the official heir, right?

 

[Trailblazer]

At least they directly communicated and he was made the official heir, right?

Baha'u'llah was not really a heir because He did not inherit anything except the Cause of God.

But yes, Baha'u'llah was the one the Bab had sent someone to look for who would be Him Whom God shall make manifest and continue with the work the Bab had started. Baha'u'llah was the one who the Bab had sought and found.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Baha'u'llah was not really a heir because He did not inherit anything except the Cause of God.

But yes, Baha'u'llah was the one the Bab had sent someone to look for who would be Him Whom God shall make manifest and continue with the work the Bab had started. Baha'u'llah was the one who the Bab had sought and found.

All based on correspondence? Like how today it would be through emails? Who was the guy who met the Bab personally and Baha'Ullah personally and then went back to Bab and said "this is the guy" and Bab was like "I know" and the other guy was like "woah!". Were they in different regions that they couldn't meet or was the Bab imprisoned or what was going on?

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Before the Báb's death, he sent a letter to Mírzá Yahyá, Subh-i-Azal, that some consider a will and testament. This recognized the appointing of Subh-i-Azal as the leader of the Bábí community after the death of the Báb, and ordered to obey the Promised One when he appears. Within 20 years of the Báb's death, over 25 people claimed to be the Promised One, .."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Báb#Succession

Yes, sure, Bahaollah succeeded in usurping authority out of those 25 claimants and proceeded to remove all those who opposed him as "Covenant breakers". He was smart. Bab had appointed Mirza Yahya as his successor.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

"Before the Báb's death, he sent a letter to Mírzá Yahyá, Subh-i-Azal, that some consider a will and testament. This recognized the appointing of Subh-i-Azal as the leader of the Bábí community after the death of the Báb, and ordered to obey the Promised One when he appears. Within 20 years of the Báb's death, over 25 people claimed to be the Promised One, .."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Báb#Succession

Yes, sure, Bahaollah succeeded in usurping authority out of those 25 claimants and proceeded to remove all those who opposed him as "Covenant breakers". He was smart. Bab had appointed Mirza Yahya as his successor.
If Bahalolah was the "Him Whom God shall make manifest", why did Bab not make him his successor?

Ooo, thanks for finding that spicy bit of gossip. Stalin had to do something similar. I think whoever kills off the competition or outstrips them really is the winner though, it seems to be how the world works, starting with the sperm race, and ending with the competition of diseases and disasters which might take a life.

Mankind competes and kills and outstrips and devours all their days, then they too are eaten, in the DS Universe. I got one of my fecal posts removed so I will just call it DS Universe for now, but you can probably guess what DS stands for.

Death and Destructionm, the Force of "Change" seems to be unstoppable, bringing about all of this and eradicating it.

Maybe Baha'Ullah was indeed the Manifestation and even a representation, particularly if he outstripped others and left them dead, then that is very much like reality itself, the Life Drive and the Death Drive as discussed in Bernard Shaw's Man vs Superman play or whatever it is called.

 

[Trailblazer]

All based on correspondence? Like how today it would be through emails? Who was the guy who met the Bab personally and Baha'Ullah personally and then went back to Bab and said "this is the guy" and Bab was like "I know" and the other guy was like "woah!". Were they in different regions that they couldn't meet or was the Bab imprisoned or what was going on?

I do not remember if the Bab was in prison at that time. All I can recall is that the Bab sent someone to look for Him Whom God shall make manifest, and then this person came back and told the Bab that he had found Him. There is a lot more to the story and it can be read in the books I cited below.

I do not know all the history of the Baha'i Faith that well. Remember, in my personal story I had dropped out of the Faith for about 42 years for all intents and purposes. Then later since I came back I have been so busy on forums I have not had a lot of time for reading, and history was not what I considered as important as reading Scriptures,

The history began in 1844 with the coming of the Bab. The two authoritative texts that depict the history are The Dawn-Breakers (Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation) and God Passes By (1844-1944). Of course the history going forward is still to be written.

Other books that are more specific to Baha'ullah are The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4, which cover the 40 years of His Mission, from 1853-1892.

All these books are online, free to read and The Dawn-Breakers and God Passes By are in the

Baha’i Reference Library online older version
Baha’i Reference Library online new version (downloadable)

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subh-i-Azal

To me, anyone could've been anyone, and anyone could've been anyone else.

I could've been saying what Aupmanyav says, Aupmanyav could've been saying what I say, its all just a bunch of roles and instruments we ended up being cast in. Some people get roles they also hate, and they consider suicide, which is the role they are cast in "whining suicidal person". I was cast in a role which included enjoying it and perceiving things as miraculous.

Baha'Ullah could have had any face and it would make no difference, and Baha'Ullah could have said practically anything at all and may have had followers of it.

What I'm getting at is, at what point does it ever matter?

My answer is, it only matters how it impacts the quality of our life and if we experience anything post-life.

It almost comes down exclusively to the post-life concern, yet none of us have any certainty, knowledge, or verifiable guarantees regarding such a thing.

So we read about the horses in the horse race, and like so many competitions in the War-God Game-Boss's World, we cast our bets on a horse we think has a chance of protecting us into the unknown.

Life is all about a singular vision, what horse will sprout wings so that I may fly when Aupmanyav falls?

Or rather, What Delusion regarding Impending Death will buffer and muffle my existential terror with sufficient smugness?

 

[Trailblazer]

Ooo, thanks for finding that spicy bit of gossip.

None of that is true and you would find out the truth of you read the books I just cited.

When it comes to the Baha'i Faith, and especially the history surrounding the Bab and Baha'u'llah, calumnies abound.

If you want to know why, you an read this short chapter ON CALUMNY.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I do not remember if the Bab was in prison at that time. All I can recall is that the Bab sent someone to look for Him Whom God shall make manifest, and then this person came back and told the Bab that he had found Him. There is a lot more to the story and it can be read in the books I cited below.

I do not know all the history of the Baha'i Faith that well. Remember, in my personal story I had dropped out of the Faith for about 42 years for all intents and purposes. Then later since I came back I have been so busy on forums I have not had a lot of time for reading, and history was not what I considered as important as reading Scriptures,

The history began in 1844 with the coming of the Bab. The two authoritative texts that depict the history are The Dawn-Breakers (Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation) and God Passes By (1844-1944). Of course the history going forward is still to be written.

Other books that are more specific to Baha'ullah are The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh, Volumes 1-4, which cover the 40 years of His Mission, from 1853-1892.

All these books are online, free to read and The Dawn-Breakers and God Passes By are in the

Baha’i Reference Library online older version
Baha’i Reference Library online new version (downloadable)

Do you perform worship practices daily, multiple times throughout the day, is a fashion resembling the Islamic style? How many times, and what if anything is said during these sessions and is there preliminary ablution before each?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

None of that is true and you would find out the truth of you read the books I just cited.

When it comes to the Baha'i Faith, and especially the history surrounding the Bab and Baha'u'llah, calumnies abound.

If you want to know why, you an read this short chapter ON CALUMNY.

I will, because I liked the sound of "short chapter" and enjoy the word calumny which makes me think of seafood.

In my personal experience, I've noticed an almost supernatural seeming effort towards ganging up to silence certain people who are saying simple and fine things. It happens a lot on forums, and mainly to me.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I read it and enjoyed it!

"If a man were to declare, ‘There is a lamp in the next room which gives no light’, one hearer might be satisfied with his report, but a wiser man goes into the room to judge for himself, and behold, when he finds the light shining brilliantly in the lamp, he knows the truth!"

I was just talking about that or thinking about that in a thing posted about Somalians killing a Christian convert in Somalia by stones according to a weird looking news article danielmol posted.

So Aupmanyav and Duncan are both slanderers and working for the forces of Darkness who try to dis-unite Humanity and lead to separateness from both one another and God. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk.

Naughty Old Boys! How did you end up working for Ahriman?

Yet, just as the very nice article said, Aupmanyav's evil use of documented historical information (by the forces of Evile!) led to you posting that article, and me reading it and enjoying it!

Out of everyone, I always seem to benefit the most, that is why my name is Lucky Baby.

I even, based on Aupmanyav's statements have (multiple times) been led to wonderful thoughts and meditations, even if they seem dark.

Aupmanyav is like an automatic benefit dispenser, the Pez device of a God he doesn't even believe in.

I hope Aupmanyav shares more thoughts and ideasm, because they keep causing and flowering good things.

What are you (trailblazer) doing on all these forums? When will you ever find the time to read stuff? Do you enjoy reading stuff or not as much as playing on forums? I love reading stuff, but end uo addicted to these things too.

 

[Trailblazer]

It almost comes down exclusively to the post-life concern, yet none of us have any certainty, knowledge, or verifiable guarantees regarding such a thing.

If we have absolute certitude, we have certainty of the afterlife.
For example, I know this is true, I don't just believe it:

“O My servants! Sorrow not if, in these days and on this earthly plane, things contrary to your wishes have been ordained and manifested by God, for days of blissful joy, of heavenly delight, are assuredly in store for you. Worlds, holy and spiritually glorious, will be unveiled to your eyes.You are destined by Him, in this world and hereafter, to partake of their benefits, to share in their joys, and to obtain a portion of their sustaining grace. To each and every one of them you will, no doubt, attain.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 329

I do not really know anything about these worlds but because I have faith in Baha'u'llah I know they exist.

“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157

In this passage, Baha’u’llah is referring to all the Prophets of God that have sacrificed their lives for the good of humanity.

“Absolute existence is strictly confined to God, exalted be His glory. Well is it with them that apprehend this truth. Wert thou to ponder in thine heart the behavior of the Prophets of God thou wouldst assuredly and readily testify that there must needs be other worlds besides this world.” Gleanings, pp. 157-158

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you perform worship practices daily, multiple times throughout the day, is a fashion resembling the Islamic style? How many times, and what if anything is said during these sessions and is there preliminary ablution before each?

The requirement is to say one of three obligatory prayers each day. They prayers are on that link below.

"Bahá’u’lláh invested a few prayers with special power. These include three obligatory prayers revealed by Him. Bahá’ís recite one of these each day: either a short prayer of a few brief lines, which is said between noon and sunset; a medium obligatory prayer of several verses, which is recited in the morning, at noon, and in the evening; or a long prayer, which is recited once in twenty-four hours."

https://www.bahai.org/documents/bahaullah/obligatory-prayers