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Featured Predestination?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by sandy whitelinger, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I see the event differently....
    You follow your body into the box.....into the ground.....
    and suffer eternal darkness.....which I think is physically real

    or......

    you rise from your body shortly after you last breath
    stand before God and heaven
    with the devil right behind you
     
  2. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    Where do you get all that at or who exactly told that ?
     
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    siti Well-Known Member

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    Certainly not! It was divinely revealed to me.
     
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  4. sandy whitelinger

    sandy whitelinger Veteran Member

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    Ah!
     
  5. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    it is written......
    ....and he (the devil) will be at your heel

    I thought I was posting an obvious (self supporting) statement

    are you confused?.....have you doubt?
    or are you knee jerking to denial?
    hoping I have said something less than true
     
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  6. Faithofchristian

    Faithofchristian Well-Known Member

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    Where do you get and he ( the devil ) will be at your heel ?
     
  7. Prestor John

    Prestor John Well-Known Member

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    Because we don't have those memories. A veil has been placed on our minds.

    Of course, the more you ponder on spiritual things, live a godly life and strengthen your faith, there is an increase to the possibility that your spiritual self would have more of an impact on your mortal self.

    We were placed in this world, under these conditions, with a veil over our minds to test what we have truly become.

    If we came here with our past knowledge and experience intact, would we really be showcasing what we are (truly loving and caring Beings), or are we merely being automatons forever obedient to a God and Father who we just don't want to **** off?

    We are being sifted.
     
  8. Prestor John

    Prestor John Well-Known Member

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    Did I respond twice?

    Sorry, my internet can be spotty.
     
  9. Prestor John

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    I don't agree with a lot of the doctrine you just shared, but I do agree with the conclusion you have drawn.

    There are really only the two paths before us.

    Even though we live in a spectrum, our choices that move us along that spectrum take us closer to one path or the other.

    It is only through reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ that we can know the way to the correct path.
     
  10. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    mmmmmm.......Genesis
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I can almost agree with your last line (only)

    though I have not ruled out reincarnation....
    I believe the body is intended to form a unique spirit on each occasion

    if reincarnation is part of the scheme.....
    the subsequent livings should produce a high quality of spirit......but....
    it would be needful to remember the previous occasions

    if you can't remember your past.....you are doomed to repeat it
     
  12. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    So where do we differ?
     
  13. Prestor John

    Prestor John Well-Known Member

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    I also agree with only you last line! :)

    I can't imagine reincarnation. Having to come back here over and over?

    Pfft. I'd rather just go to Hell.
     
  14. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    over and over again?
     
  15. Prestor John

    Prestor John Well-Known Member

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    Wouldn't the concept of reincarnation require these spirits to be reborn on the Earth over and over again until they reach the perfect quality?

    Did I read too much into it?
     
  16. sandy whitelinger

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    I'm wondering, purely through observation, if some people are predispositioned to fail to comprehend faith.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    nah.....

    but the reincarnation scheme leaves out.....WHO is in charge....

    is it God sending you back until you get it right?
    or the devil?... trying to corrupt your efforts until the grief destroys you

    but for lack of retained info....I don't lean to the scheme

    I think we do this once

    if there is correction to be made....heaven will do so
    I see we have disciplines in this life
    I anticipate greater disciplines in the next

    and if all fails.......o hell......
     
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  18. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    In catholic thought, it only goes in one direction.

    However, you aren't completely wrong either.

    I would say the pre is only there as a creation of presuppositions, neuro-associations, bad experiences, and some go deeper to disordered psychological impulses. The impulses is extreme and I don't consider most non-theist that way. I do however think that some of them have a perception of the world in stark, bipolar terms, whereby it does impair their capacity for critical thinking. If a religious topic almost immediately activates the same chemicals in them......as say.....anger, anxiety, frustration, etc. Not that those feelings are unwarranted either, but it's a real thing.

    Place on top of that people don't really dialogue much anymore; especially not in the real world. I haven't even gotten to the part where people are usually speaking different languages and misunderstandings are common. A good dialogue, takes patience, precision, civility, etc. and even then it takes time.

    Add to that the reality that what I described above is not something people of faith are immune from. I mean, when are you going to stop playing around and become Catholic? Obviously you and I don't agree, so does that make you predisposed in a similar fashion?

     
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    Well said.
     
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    God exists independently of time. Talking about things linearly makes no sense, the instant we are born is occurring 'at the same time' as when we die. Predestination is self-contradicting in Christian theology because there is no 'pre'. I.E. The term is contradictory but the concept is a given
     
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