Porn Exploits People

[InChrist]

What you should have said is that SOME porn is distasteful or even illegal. For SOME people porn can be addictive. For SOME people porn can lead to loneliness. For SOME people porn can damage relationships and intimacy. However, for most people none of that applies.

Yes, I probably should have said some. Yet, unlike your perspective, mine is that likely most people are damaged on one way or another by porn.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I probably should have said some. Yet, unlike your perspective, mine is that likely most people are damaged on one way or another by porn.

I would say that overall it appears to be a net positive.

 

[InChrist]

I would say that overall it appears to be a net positive.

You are free to your viewpoint, but you know the old saying that appearances can be deceiving.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are free to your viewpoint, but you know the old saying that appearances can be deceiving.

I don't know. Lower rape rates, usually harmless entertainment with health benefits. Very rare abuse. To me it is rather obvious.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Yes, I probably should have said some. Yet, unlike your perspective, mine is that likely most people are damaged on one way or another by porn.

I see. What is it that makes you think you have insights into how porn effects most people? Are you just assuming that most people have had the same negative experiences that you have or have most people you know told you that they've had such negative experiences?

 

[InChrist]

I see. What is it that makes you think you have insights into how porn effects most people? Are you just assuming that most people have had the same negative experiences that you have or have most people you know told you that they've had such negative experiences?

I never said anything about whether I or people I know have had negative experiences. I have done research and listened to or read many accounts of individuals who have been influenced negatively though.
I also believe any sexual behavior that is outside of God’s design and wisdom is bound to have harmful effects.
I realize that is not a view you would understand or agree with and I don’t expect you to at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I never said anything about whether I or people I know have had negative experiences. I have done research and listened to or read many accounts of individuals who have been influenced negatively though.
I also believe any sexual behavior that is outside of God’s design and wisdom is bound to have harmful effects.
I realize that is not a view you would understand or agree with and I don’t expect you to at all.

Cherry picking is not proper research. You must consider all of the evidence.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did anyone bother to read the article or just react?

“Every day Pornhub is host to pornographic material that features racism, incest, and violence against women. The site is also known to have hosted videos of child sexual abuse and sex trafficking victims, such as in late 2019 when it was revealed that Pornhub hosted videos of a trafficked teenage girl being raped.

This was not an isolated incident.

For years, until late 2019, Pornhub hosted content from and promoted GirlsDoPorn as one of its featured partners even after requests were made to have the content removed by the women shown in the material AND while GirlsDoPorn was in court facing charges of trafficking (and more) from over 20 women that were used in the production of its material.”

Porn is addictive, changes brain chemistry, causes loneliness, damages real relationships and intimacy.
This isn’t about prudishness, my view is that porn is harmful and exploits people.

4 Ways Porn Use Causes Problems

Porn is a reflection of society. There's a ton of videos of gay men using meth on PornHub. Again, it's just a reflection of society. It's not all pretty. They just need to be more vigilant against abusive and insensitive material. Same as any other media enterprise.

There's no evidence that porn is physically addictive or changes the brain. That's nonsense. It's the same as any other sexual fantasy.

 

[osgart]

I think sexuality is healthy in a genuine relationship of commitment and faithfulness, and sincere attraction. Anything less is poison, and utterly worthless to me.

 

[Ayjaydee]

I think it’s time that people wake-up and realize or remember that porn is not healthy or harmless. It is not “good or nice”
Bodies are not commodities to be used, abused, brought and sold or viewed as merchandise for one’s selfish pleasure.
Those are some of my thoughts. Express yours if you like.
https://endsexualexploitation.org/a...-nice/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email
Pornhub and Free Porn Are Neither "Good" Nor "Nice" - National Center on Sexual Exploitation

No more so than any other activity indulged in by a consenting adult

 

[Dan From Smithville]

If I want to sell my body, it's my business and no one else's.

Although most people pay me to put my clothes back on!

You just need to find your niche in the market.

 

[InChrist]

Porn is a reflection of society. There's a ton of videos of gay men using meth on PornHub. Again, it's just a reflection of society. It's not all pretty. They just need to be more vigilant against abusive and insensitive material. Same as any other media enterprise.

There's no evidence that porn is physically addictive or changes the brain. That's nonsense. It's the same as any other sexual fantasy.

Appreciate your thoughts.
I did post a link a few posts back about the changes porn causes with brain chemistry, There have been studies done.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Appreciate your thoughts.
I did post a link a few posts back about the changes porn causes with brain chemistry, There have been studies done.

It's bs from religious types. The brain can't tell the difference between you imagining something or watching something. It would have to effect the neurotransmitters of the brain to make a difference.

Personally, I have a physical dependence on alcohol because my heavy drinking has changed my brain wiring and I experience physical withdrawal when my blood alcohol level drops (tremors, nausea, irritability and other symptoms to seizures and beyond). It can lead to even coma and death at high enough levels. I have been classified as a "severe alcoholic" and put on supplements to help with withdrawal when I've been hospitalized lately.

It's similar to opiod dependence. When you can find an instance of someone crapping their pants at night because of porn watching alone, I'll take you more seriously. Otherwise, it's just a fact that people can become psychologically addictive to anything. Video games are a prime example or social media. That's not the same as a physical dependency (neurological changes), though.

 

[Skwim]

Did anyone bother to read the article or just react?

Yup. The article says:

“Every day Pornhub is host to pornographic material that features racism, incest and violence against women violence against women. The site is also known to have hosted videos of child sexual abuse and sex trafficking victims, such as in late 2019 when it was revealed that Pornhub hosted videos of a trafficked teenage girl being raped.

Looking into:

racism we draw a blank. One gets "This Tweet is unavailable."​

Incest we get the following Tweet:

Laila Mickelwait
@LailaMickelwait
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Oct 3, 2019This week’s #1 top viewed video on Pornhub w/ over 7 million views is called “My Stepbrother Brazenly Took Advantage of My Helplessness” —in it a young woman gets stuck & her brother rapes her while she says repeatedly “no”, “stop”, “I’m afraid” & “it hurts”
​

Obviously unaware that porn videos like this are staged works of fiction, and a dime a dozen.

violence against women we get the following Tweet:

Laila Mickelwait
@LailaMickelwait
·
Jan 10
Porhub’s #4 most watched video this week with over 4 million views is of a teen girl, hands/feet shackled down, mouth gagged, being penetrated with a machine, electrocuted until she is screaming in pain & her body burned with wax. Don’t tell me #PornIs not violence against women.​

Obviously unaware that porn videos like this are either staged performances or instances of consensual S & M / B & D, which are not criminal.


Pornhub hosted videos of a trafficked teenage girl being raped. we read

"Teacher, 50, who ‘filmed herself sex with teen girl ["16 or 17 years old"] relative and uploaded it to PornHub’ is jailed for almost 7 years"​

And note that the article never mentions "rape," nor was PornHub ever found to be knowingly complicit in the crime.

This was not an isolated incident.

For years, until late 2019, Pornhub hosted content from and promoted GirlsDoPorn as one of its featured partners even after requests were made to have the content removed by the women shown in the material AND while GirlsDoPorn was in court facing charges of trafficking (and more) from over 20 women that were used in the production of its material.”

To note: the relevant charges were for "tricking [women] into shooting porn."

And to further note, according to the most recent findings findings PornHub was not found to be knowingly complicit in the trickery.

ALSO, the article unabashedly sets up the following strawman:

"If it were true that the porn industry is a safe and progressive bastion, then why did Pornhub—one of the largest porn sites in the entire world—continue to host and feature Girls Do Porn and its content all the way up until federal charges were filed . . . ."
​

As if anyone has claimed it's true that "the porn industry is a safe and progressive bastion." And to its credit, PornHub didn't cave to allegations until they reached the point where "federal charges were filed," and did discontinue hosting GirlsDoPorn before it was found guilty of tricking women into doing porn.

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[Skwim]

I find your argument no more convincing than saying because the Bible speaks against gluttony this is one reason why so many people overeat and have weight or health problems.

It's not an argument, but a bit of FYI. Sheesh!

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[Mock Turtle]

Did anyone bother to read the article or just react?

“Every day Pornhub is host to pornographic material that features racism, incest, and violence against women. The site is also known to have hosted videos of child sexual abuse and sex trafficking victims, such as in late 2019 when it was revealed that Pornhub hosted videos of a trafficked teenage girl being raped.

This was not an isolated incident.

For years, until late 2019, Pornhub hosted content from and promoted GirlsDoPorn as one of its featured partners even after requests were made to have the content removed by the women shown in the material AND while GirlsDoPorn was in court facing charges of trafficking (and more) from over 20 women that were used in the production of its material.”

Porn is addictive, changes brain chemistry, causes loneliness, damages real relationships and intimacy.
This isn’t about prudishness, my view is that porn is harmful and exploits people.

4 Ways Porn Use Causes Problems

Although I'm not really in agreement with much of your sentiment - seeing it as a freedom of expression issue, and as such, a transaction between two consenting parties - I do recognise the problems with what we have currently.

I'm not sure if many realise the dangerous line they might be crossing when viewing so-called adult porn. PornHub for example, supposedly one of the most popular adult sites, has as mentioned hosted material that would be viewed as or actually is illegal - those involved being under 18. At least one other porn site had a 14-year-old female involved - she lied to the site operators about her age.

Also, some of the participants are designated as being amateurs (from all around the world) and how on earth these are verified is beyond me, and many might not even pass for being over 18. The same happens with still images, where 'the appearance of being under 18' is what a jury is supposed to convict on (here in the UK at least) and where many females working in this industry (and actually over 18) could be presented as being under 18. How risky is this for any individual who knows, unless one sticks to the obvious ones - like them being in their mid-fifties! A case in the USA had the female testify in court that she was over 18 when someone was accused of having illegal videos of her. He was acquitted.

That is my issue with porn - it is often risky and not that easy to stay safe or even know if some are being exploited.

 

[Ayjaydee]

Although I'm not really in agreement with much of your sentiment - seeing it as a freedom of expression issue, and as such, a transaction between two consenting parties - I do recognise the problems with what we have currently.

I'm not sure if many realise the dangerous line they might be crossing when viewing so-called adult porn. PornHub for example, supposedly one of the most popular adult sites, has as mentioned hosted material that would be viewed as or actually is illegal - those involved being under 18. At least one other porn site had a 14-year-old female involved - she lied to the site operators about her age.

Also, some of the participants are designated as being amateurs (from all around the world) and how on earth these are verified is beyond me, and many might not even pass for being over 18. The same happens with still images, where 'the appearance of being under 18' is what a jury is supposed to convict on and where many females working in this industry (and actually over 18) could be presented as being under 18. How risky is this for any individual who knows, unless one sticks to the obvious ones - like them being in their mid-fifties! A case in the USA had the female testify in court that she was over 18 when someone was accused of having illegal videos of her.

That is my issue with porn - it is often risky and not that easy to stay safe or even know if some are being exploited.

Often risky to stay safe with alcohol too

 

[Skwim]

It is possible there are exceptions, as with anything, Yet, I still believe overall porn is detrimental to people.

Pornography addiction: A neuroscience perspective

It isn't the porn, but the addiction to it. As explained in the very first sentence of your linked article.

"A significant postulate of this commentary is that all addictions create, in addition to chemical changes in the brain, anatomical and pathological changes which result in various manifestations of cerebral dysfunction collectively labeled hypofrontal syndromes."​

Do you not understand what you read? Watching/reading porn can be one of many addictions, among which are

• Food (eating)
• Sex
• Using computers / the internet
• Playing video games
• Working
• Exercising
• Spiritual obsession (as opposed to religious devotion)
• Pain (seeking)
• Cutting
• shopping
• Alcohol
• Tobacco
• Opioids (like heroin)
• Prescription drugs (sedatives, hypnotics, or anxiolytics like sleeping pills and tranquilizers)
• Cocaine
• Cannabis (marijuana)
• Amphetamines (like methamphetamines, known as meth)
• Hallucinogens
• Inhalants
• Phencyclidine (known as PCP or Angeldust)
• Other unspecified substances

 

[Skwim]

Maybe we're not in the same thread. here is a copy the thread I'm in.

"Bodies are not commodities to be used, abused, brought and sold or viewed as merchandise for one’s selfish pleasure."

I count 4 words there that refer to money. How many do you count?

COULD refer to money. Commodities and merchandise can be traded for other commodities and merchandise with money never entering the equation.

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[Mock Turtle]

Often risky to stay safe with alcohol too

They are hardly comparable. One can go to prison for possession of illegal images and be labelled as being a paedophile. So rather more risky as to the consequences of getting it wrong.