Octavia156
OTO/EGC
I understand I could be ignorant here, because I do not know much about the ONA. I began to read the Black Book a while ago, and I didn't make it too far. I would appreciate any clarification anyone could offer on my thoughts which may be misguided. I have been keeping them to myself. A few of the satanic points set off alarm bells in my head such as:
"3. Seek happiness in victory -but never in peace."
I understand the concept of finishing your enemy. We are taught that in martial arts. If someone attacks you, you kill them as quickly as possible. If you are happy with anything less, as in peace, you risk finding a knife in your back at the attackers next opportunity.
This set off a small alarm though, because it states "never." The world would be a christian hell on earth if no one found happiness in peace. It would be a dam big hot bloody sad mess.
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"8. Strive for more, for conquest is never done."
Is this a self growth kind of conquest, or external conquest? This rang an alarm bell, no offense intended. I could be reading it completely wrong.
"9. And die rather than submit."
This rang another alarm because these situations are an obstacle in which radical abrahamics respond the same way. This is reaching a brick wall, and giving up, extremely. I guess to try and prove a point. I don't understand the issue with submitting in order to dig under the brick wall, so that you can stand back up on the other side and get yourself out alive. You can make more of a difference alive rather than dead. When you allow yourself to die, you kill everything you had to potential to become, everything you had the potential to do, and the stronger points you could have made by manipulating your way out alive through submitting, simply to portray what you needed.
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"13. He who stands atop the highest pyramid of skulls can see the furthest."
I am at a loss.
"15. All that is great is built upon sorrow."
Once again, I am concerned and at a loss.
Take what I read and combine it with this that NoSpam pointed out, which I also read about, and there were too many alarms sounding in my head for me to continue at the time. I am sure that I am not seeing the whole picture, and I couldn't help but wonder if those points were put there for the sole reason of scaring people away.
Personally, I could study it, however, I would not feel comfortable belonging to an "organization" following such ideals because, how could you trust anyone enough to be in their presence without a weapon? I'd sleep with a gun under my pillow. It sounds like a brutal and bloody dick measuring contest of epic proportions.
As a read a little further, either on the website or in the book, I came across all the "rules."
I remember one being severe loyalty to the other members, and that the members must marry within themselves.
There were lots of examples of severe lifestyle control like this. Am I viewing this wrong? I understand control to potentially be very detrimental. All this struck me so funny for a group that I know must be advanced in many ways, from other things I have read.
Thanks for your time.
I've not read this thread yet, and I know nothing of the ONA but on reading your concerns I shall offer my interpretation of those points, from a Thelemic perspective... Thelema being the most advanced and mystical way of practising what you call 'Satanism', wherein the ultimate enemy is the unperfected self
I shall explain what these phrases mean:
"3. Seek happiness in victory -but never in peace."
Happiness is not to be found in sateity. Ever seek to attain victory after victory, but never rest in that happiness, for you must strive on to find yet another part of yourself to conquer.
"8. Strive for more, for conquest is never done."
See above.
"9. And die rather than submit."
Its all in the same theme... The war of victory and conquest is over oneself, in an never-ending pursuit to attain perfection. In my school we strive to 'die daily' as for us, every death is a rebirth... death is initiation.
"13. He who stands atop the highest pyramid of skulls can see the furthest."
See above. He who has been re-born the most times has the clearest view.... die daily.
"15. All that is great is built upon sorrow."
This is all very Qabalistic - who are these ONA!?
Sorrow is a direct link to the Qabalistic Sephira of Binah - The Womb of Life. In Thelema the vision of Sorrow is the mark of the Magister... one who has crossed this Abyss whilst living - this is the Greatest of all Deaths.
I hope this helps.
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