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Featured Oklahoma -- where abortion is now illegal even BEFORE you are pregnant!

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Evangelicalhumanist, May 21, 2022.

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  3. Oklahoma politicians are bonkers

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  1. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Yes, you read that correctly. Oklahoma has just passed a law that defines "human life" as anything from the moment of fertilization.

    But pregnancy requires implantation. Medical science knows well that many, many fertilized eggs do not successfully implant, and are thus flushed, and no pregnancy results.

    My question is this: is Oklahoma going to hold God accountable for that FAILURE, because failure is indeed what it is, and given that it is outside of the control of any human, can only be in the hands of God? And how will they exact punishment?
     
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  2. Aštra’el

    Aštra’el Goddess Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth

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    Excellent.
     
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    Maybe we could ruin his planet by overpopulating it? That’ll teach him!
     
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  4. Evangelicalhumanist

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    Sorry, won't be able to help you there. Too old to provide usable sperm, and (did I forget to mention?) gay.
     
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    I recently saw a clip where I guess a governor asked to the face of a doctor whether she’d be okay with aborting a baby during partial birth. With a straight face. Said doctor seemed overwhelmed by the utter stupidity of the question.
    (I cant say that I blame her lol)
    I’ll see if I can find it on YouTube. I have to hazard a guess that’s from Oklahoma, I’m not entirely sure. But it wouldn’t surprise me given this revelation

    American, wth is going on with you lately?
     
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    So would a miscarriage be involuntary manslaughter?

    Genuine question, because that’s the implication of such a law
     
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  7. sun rise

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    I can't wait for a state to outlaw birth control because, of course

    Every sperm is sacred
    Every sperm is great
    If a sperm is wasted,
    God gets quite irate
     
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    Oh that will likely be a stark reality if people keep going in this direction. Hopefully I'll be dead before that happens.
     
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    I dunno. God is a major abortion provider himself (or herself depending on one's theism). It might just affect the miscarriage industry he or she built so hard to establish.
     
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    That line has not been crossed. Yet. But I suspect it will be in the next couple of years.

    Nothing much. We're having a pleasant bout of insanity with sugar sprinkles and holy water on top. Want a taste?
     
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    I suspect sooner tbh. But perhaps I’m just a pessimist

    Since I’m not American, I would like your perspective on this.
    For years now I have heard of horror stories from various (I assume Red) states where women have been denied actual legitimate medicine for miscarriages and complications due to pregnancy
    For reference here’s the latest story I found



    If miscarriage was rendered as involuntary manslaughter (and I sincerely hope it’s not) could doctors who refused medication be held legally liable as well? Or would they just become even more reticent?

    Eughh
    You know what? You guys can keep the lot, including the sprinkles

    In my country Labor (the almost slightly leftish leaning major party) just won the federal election.
    So despite my dislike of all politicians in general, I’m kind of happy
     
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    I am confident most Oklahomans realize the God hypothesis is neither verifiable nor falsifiable, Hence, they as rational people will not fault a very hypothetical being who is untestable. Furthermore, I am confident most Oklahomans realize a zygote lacks having experienced human consciousness to be considered a person. Since zygotes and embryos are not people, these non-personhood forms of life can be naturally or without question forcibly extinguished from their maternal parent's uterus,
     
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    I don't understand how you went from first sentence to second statement to conclusion. Don't quite see the flow of it.

    It is like you said "if A = B then C - D and therefore QXYZ - just no flow

    Didn't see a source either
     
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    God never gets held accountable. It is always someone else's fault, often the victim's.
     
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    Well, since Texas has it set up that anyone abetting in an abortion can be sued for $10,000, and a pharmacist does not know if the medication is for after treatment of a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage or for inducing an abortion/miscarriage, then are they going to risk a lawsuit(s) by providing the medication to someone who has had a miscarriage? This is freaking crazy.
     
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    Jeez!!
    This is insanity of the highest levels.
    And from a world power no less.
    Smh
     
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    This is not legal until Roe v Wade is overturned, of course. But that seems to be a technicality at this point.

    Oddly Texas women were going to Oklahoma in recent months to get abortion services, now that is over.

    This is how Republicans make themselves less and less appealing to the average voter. As voters reject the GOP the Republicans will have to find more and more unethical ways to affect election outcomes in their favor.
     
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    And anyone can file a lawsuit. Just think of how many people will try to make a business of consisting of filing such lawsuits? (They probably don't have to pay taxes on it, either!) Insanity!
     
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    The land of the lawsuit.
     
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    Well as far as I can see.
    If God truly does see all pregnancies as the potential for life, why does He allow for so many miscarriages?
    I mean He is omniscient after all. He is in control of all things, is He not?
    Basically it boils down to the old cliche of
    “If God was truly against abortion, why does He allow for so many miscarriages?”


    (By the way, this is not my argument. Just giving my perspective of what the OP is implying. They are free to correct me.)
     
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