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Oklahoma -- where abortion is now illegal even BEFORE you are pregnant!

Will Oklahoma hold God responsible for failure to implant?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • No

    Votes: 1 5.3%
  • Oklahoma politicians are bonkers

    Votes: 17 89.5%

  • Total voters
    19

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Yes, you read that correctly. Oklahoma has just passed a law that defines "human life" as anything from the moment of fertilization.

But pregnancy requires implantation. Medical science knows well that many, many fertilized eggs do not successfully implant, and are thus flushed, and no pregnancy results.

My question is this: is Oklahoma going to hold God accountable for that FAILURE, because failure is indeed what it is, and given that it is outside of the control of any human, can only be in the hands of God? And how will they exact punishment?
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Yes, you read that correctly. Oklahoma has just passed a law that defines "human life" as anything from the moment of fertilization.

But pregnancy requires implantation. Medical science knows well that many, many fertilized eggs do not successfully implant, and are thus flushed, and no pregnancy results.

My question is this: is Oklahoma going to hold God accountable for that FAILURE, because failure is indeed what it is, and given that it is outside of the control of any human, can only be in the hands of God? And how will they exact punishment?
Maybe we could ruin his planet by overpopulating it? That’ll teach him!
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I recently saw a clip where I guess a governor asked to the face of a doctor whether she’d be okay with aborting a baby during partial birth. With a straight face. Said doctor seemed overwhelmed by the utter stupidity of the question.
(I cant say that I blame her lol)
I’ll see if I can find it on YouTube. I have to hazard a guess that’s from Oklahoma, I’m not entirely sure. But it wouldn’t surprise me given this revelation

American, wth is going on with you lately?
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I can't wait for a state to outlaw birth control because, of course

Every sperm is sacred
Every sperm is great
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate
I dunno. God is a major abortion provider himself (or herself depending on one's theism). It might just affect the miscarriage industry he or she built so hard to establish.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
So would a miscarriage be involuntary manslaughter?

Genuine question, because that’s the implication of such a law

That line has not been crossed. Yet. But I suspect it will be in the next couple of years.

American, wth is going on with you lately?

Nothing much. We're having a pleasant bout of insanity with sugar sprinkles and holy water on top. Want a taste?
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
That line has not been crossed. Yet. But I suspect it will be in the next couple of years.
I suspect sooner tbh. But perhaps I’m just a pessimist

Since I’m not American, I would like your perspective on this.
For years now I have heard of horror stories from various (I assume Red) states where women have been denied actual legitimate medicine for miscarriages and complications due to pregnancy
For reference here’s the latest story I found


If miscarriage was rendered as involuntary manslaughter (and I sincerely hope it’s not) could doctors who refused medication be held legally liable as well? Or would they just become even more reticent?

Nothing much. We're having a pleasant bout of insanity with sugar sprinkles and holy water on top. Want a taste?
Eughh
You know what? You guys can keep the lot, including the sprinkles

In my country Labor (the almost slightly leftish leaning major party) just won the federal election.
So despite my dislike of all politicians in general, I’m kind of happy
 
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Suave

Simulated character
Yes, you read that correctly. Oklahoma has just passed a law that defines "human life" as anything from the moment of fertilization.

But pregnancy requires implantation. Medical science knows well that many, many fertilized eggs do not successfully implant, and are thus flushed, and no pregnancy results.

My question is this: is Oklahoma going to hold God accountable for that FAILURE, because failure is indeed what it is, and given that it is outside of the control of any human, can only be in the hands of God? And how will they exact punishment?

I am confident most Oklahomans realize the God hypothesis is neither verifiable nor falsifiable, Hence, they as rational people will not fault a very hypothetical being who is untestable. Furthermore, I am confident most Oklahomans realize a zygote lacks having experienced human consciousness to be considered a person. Since zygotes and embryos are not people, these non-personhood forms of life can be naturally or without question forcibly extinguished from their maternal parent's uterus,
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Yes, you read that correctly. Oklahoma has just passed a law that defines "human life" as anything from the moment of fertilization.

But pregnancy requires implantation. Medical science knows well that many, many fertilized eggs do not successfully implant, and are thus flushed, and no pregnancy results.

My question is this: is Oklahoma going to hold God accountable for that FAILURE, because failure is indeed what it is, and given that it is outside of the control of any human, can only be in the hands of God? And how will they exact punishment?
I don't understand how you went from first sentence to second statement to conclusion. Don't quite see the flow of it.

It is like you said "if A = B then C - D and therefore QXYZ - just no flow

Didn't see a source either
 
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Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Yes, you read that correctly. Oklahoma has just passed a law that defines "human life" as anything from the moment of fertilization.

But pregnancy requires implantation. Medical science knows well that many, many fertilized eggs do not successfully implant, and are thus flushed, and no pregnancy results.

My question is this: is Oklahoma going to hold God accountable for that FAILURE, because failure is indeed what it is, and given that it is outside of the control of any human, can only be in the hands of God? And how will they exact punishment?

God never gets held accountable. It is always someone else's fault, often the victim's.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
I suspect sooner tbh. But perhaps I’m just a pessimist

Since I’m not American, I would like your perspective on this.
For years now I have heard of horror stories from various (I assume Red) states where women have been denied actual legitimate medicine for miscarriages and complications due to pregnancy
For reference here’s the latest story I found


If miscarriage was rendered as involuntary manslaughter (and I sincerely hope it’s not) could doctors who refused medication be held legally liable as well? Or would they just become even more reticent?


Eughh
You know what? You guys can keep the lot, including the sprinkles

In my country Labor (the almost slightly leftish leaning major party) just won the federal election.
So despite my dislike of all politicians in general, I’m kind of happy
Well, since Texas has it set up that anyone abetting in an abortion can be sued for $10,000, and a pharmacist does not know if the medication is for after treatment of a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage or for inducing an abortion/miscarriage, then are they going to risk a lawsuit(s) by providing the medication to someone who has had a miscarriage? This is freaking crazy.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, since Texas has it set up that anyone abetting in an abortion can be sued for $10,000, and a pharmacist does not know if the medication is for after treatment of a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage or for inducing an abortion/miscarriage, then are they going to risk a lawsuit(s) by providing the medication to someone who has had a miscarriage? This is freaking crazy.
Jeez!!
This is insanity of the highest levels.
And from a world power no less.
Smh
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
This is not legal until Roe v Wade is overturned, of course. But that seems to be a technicality at this point.

Oddly Texas women were going to Oklahoma in recent months to get abortion services, now that is over.

This is how Republicans make themselves less and less appealing to the average voter. As voters reject the GOP the Republicans will have to find more and more unethical ways to affect election outcomes in their favor.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Jeez!!
This is insanity of the highest levels.
And from a world power no less.
Smh
And anyone can file a lawsuit. Just think of how many people will try to make a business of consisting of filing such lawsuits? (They probably don't have to pay taxes on it, either!) Insanity!
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
And anyone can file a lawsuit. Just think of how many people will try to make a business of consisting of filing such lawsuits? (They probably don't have to pay taxes on it, either!) Insanity!
The land of the lawsuit.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't understand how you went from first sentence to second statement to conclusion. Don't quite see the flow of it.

It is like you said "if A = B then C - D and therefore QXYZ - just no flow

Didn't see a source either
Well as far as I can see.
If God truly does see all pregnancies as the potential for life, why does He allow for so many miscarriages?
I mean He is omniscient after all. He is in control of all things, is He not?
Basically it boils down to the old cliche of
“If God was truly against abortion, why does He allow for so many miscarriages?”


(By the way, this is not my argument. Just giving my perspective of what the OP is implying. They are free to correct me.)
 
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