New research shows we have underestimated both the scope and the scale of animal intelligence

[McBell]

BTW if you feel that animals "understand" and exhibit human love, then they must "understand" and exhibit human hate. If this is the case do we now need to decide if animals that kill human are doing this deliberately? Do we need to try them? Read them their rights? How about crows that steal shiny things? Do we have to arrest them?

Lol
You seem to be overly concerned with the "human" part of your "argument".

Do you understand canine love? Canine hate?

What makes you think, other than your obvious bias because you are a human, that "human" love is the be all end all of love?

Still no of you have produced one shred of evidence that animals have awareness like humans. There has been a lot of speculation and fairy tales but no proof. You can do better.

Why would anyone be arguing that animals have human awareness?
That is your strawman.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Humans exist. They do not simply live from day-today. They plan. They reason. They discuss. They create such things as complex and multi-layered societies, inspired works of art, and exhaustive languages. They have hope for the future and respect for the past. They are aware.

I can only assume you haven't actually met that many human beings.

 

[Alceste]

The difference is that I would make a conscience decision to eat the dog. I would also would add a few onions and green peppers when I sauteed the beast.

BTW if you feel that animals "understand" and exhibit human love, then they must "understand" and exhibit human hate. If this is the case do we now need to decide if animals that kill human are doing this deliberately? Do we need to try them? Read them their rights? How about crows that steal shiny things? Do we have to arrest them?

Still no of you have produced one shred of evidence that animals have awareness like humans. There has been a lot of speculation and fairy tales but no proof. You can do better.

Nobody but you is arguing that animals have "human" love, hate, etc. Dogs feel dog love, horses feel horse love, elephants feel elephant love, etc. They're using the same basic equipment we are to produce those feelings, so it's ignorant to assume there are no similarities at all, but nobody is claiming they're exactly the same.

There is loads of evidence. Seems you either haven't been reading or watching the links, our haven't been understanding the implications of what you've read.

 

[oldbadger]

I guess? So an elephant can use a stick, will that species ever design an deep well system to keep from dying of thirst in Africa?

.................thus lowering the water-table further, causing a need for re-boring, and drying other waterholes up that previously had been available. We can be really thick, sometimes.

 

[oldbadger]

I think some people tend to confuse intelligence with instinct when it comes to animals. Intelligence can only come from self-awareness. Self-awareness is, among other things, realizing who or at least what you are in relation to your world. I've never seen anything that suggests any lower animal has displayed self-awareness. Therefore the only animals that have shown what passes as human intelligence are found in Disney movies.

Please excuse me underlining your post.....

Our world has suffered from serious over fishing.
Our world has suffered from serious deforestation.
Our world has suffered from serious air pollution.
Our world has suffered from serious and unnecessary wars.
Our world has suffered from serious financial chaos.
Our world has suffered from .............. us.
And on and on.

We are not intelligent. We are very very thick.

 

[WyattDerp]

We are not intelligent. We are very very thick.

Yeah, but we can constantly move goalposts in interwebs forums. Dolphins cannot do that. Therefore dolphins do not understand human love. They also don't know anything about irrigating deserts.

It really makes me sick to think how many animals look down on us, when they don't even know what year it is, or who is president, or anything normal and useful.

 

[Alceste]

Please excuse me underlining your post.....

Our world has suffered from serious over fishing.
Our world has suffered from serious deforestation.
Our world has suffered from serious air pollution.
Our world has suffered from serious and unnecessary wars.
Our world has suffered from serious financial chaos.
Our world has suffered from .............. us.
And on and on.

We are not intelligent. We are very very thick.

That's for sure. We're so bad at being intelligent we don't even try to control our own reproduction for the long term benefit of our species. It just grows sizable enough to consume all the available resources in our habitat, just like every other animal.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nobody but you is arguing that animals have "human" love, hate, etc. Dogs feel dog love, horses feel horse love, elephants feel elephant love, etc. They're using the same basic equipment we are to produce those feelings, so it's ignorant to assume there are no similarities at all, but nobody is claiming they're exactly the same.

He needs a dog. And one that will jump in his arms and on his lap, lick his face all over, and especially one that will cuddle with him. Next then he'll know he'll be able to tell when his dog knows she or he has done something wrong because there is something not quiet right about the dog's behavior.

 

[Alceste]

He needs a dog. And that will jump in his arms and on his lap, lick his face all over, and especially one that will cuddle with him. Next then he'll know he'll be able to tell when his dog knows she or he has done something wrong because they are not acting quiet right when you get home.

Omg, that reminds me.

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YouTube

 

[Willamena]

Omg, that reminds me.

[youtube]B8ISzf2pryI[/youtube]
YouTube

Isn't that the same dog as in post #28? I'm beginning to suspect someone hired an actor to make their points.


(Maybe he was even playing the elephant...)

 

[oldbadger]

Yeah, but we can constantly move goalposts in interwebs forums. Dolphins cannot do that. Therefore dolphins do not understand human love. They also don't know anything about irrigating deserts.

It really makes me sick to think how many animals look down on us, when they don't even know what year it is, or who is president, or anything normal and useful.

Hi..... Wot?

Hang on........ Humans (you and me) don't understand Dolphin love!
Humans (me and you) wouldn't need to irrigate deserts if they had the sense to stop breeding!
Of course lots of animals look down on us........ all them birds, for a start, and a few giraffes.
Who bloody cares who your President is? Who is it now....... um....
I think animals are very smart....... humans can be daft. Mrs Badger would tell you straight off that I'm daft, but she still loves me......

 

[oldbadger]

That's for sure. We're so bad at being intelligent we don't even try to control our own reproduction for the long term benefit of our species. It just grows sizable enough to consume all the available resources in our habitat, just like every other animal.

Yes! > :yes: <
We must stop breeding........ or in the case of Whitstable (just down the road) they need to stop reproducing. (All mongrels in Whitstable)

 

[Secret Chief]

Often times the level of intelligence displayed by humans depresses me. It is well known, I thought, higher mammals remember, plan, choose...

Some people seem never to have watched a wildlife documentary, watched the news or shared a home with non human companions.

Animals don't show self awareness? Jesus save me, we're doomed.

 

[Alceste]

Hi..... Wot?

Hang on........ Humans (you and me) don't understand Dolphin love!
Humans (me and you) wouldn't need to irrigate deserts if they had the sense to stop breeding!
Of course lots of animals look down on us........ all them birds, for a start, and a few giraffes.
Who bloody cares who your President is? Who is it now....... um....
I think animals are very smart....... humans can be daft. Mrs Badger would tell you straight off that I'm daft, but she still loves me......

But how do you know it's HUMAN love?

 

[Secret Chief]

President of what?

Some people don't know who the Chancellor is...

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Frankly, human love seems rather inferior to the love of many other species, so I wouldn't aggrandize it too much.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Omg, that reminds me.

[youtube]B8ISzf2pryI[/youtube]
YouTube

Must have just been my imagination that I could tell by the way the dog was sitting, head down, and the way the dog's tail was wagging all let me know the dog was guilty as soon as the dog was on camera. The first dog though, that was a look of innocence. But it must just have been something abnormal that we would see the first dog not really caring about the cat treat bag, but the second dog was really showing admission of guilt and remorse.

 

[oldbadger]

But how do you know it's HUMAN love?

'Cos she kisses our two miniature dachshunds more than me! I'd get more kisses if it was non-human. :yes: (And they get more room in the bed!)

 

[Alceste]

'Cos she kisses our two miniature dachshunds more than me! I'd get more kisses if it was non-human. :yes: (And they get more room in the bed!)

Lol, that sounds like human love alright.

 

[Me Myself]

Haha " you let it happen" xD