Mecca and Kaaba in the Bible !!!

[ukok102nak]

~;> and again
before you answer the answered question ...

My my.

indeed
so proceed to
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get us slow . . . )

~;> atleast his not claiming anything about all the written words in the bible
from what weve seen so far
unlike what youve claimed
without giving any stand about your faith in the written scripture
or if we may say
you just thought you could know anything about the bible
but it happends to be your not understanding the very question that
our breathren :smoke: asked you before
:read: (as it is written)

:smoke: so many temple
and not one in the desertb as they say
so what kind of pilgrimage is this
as it is written
:read:
Genesis: 47. 9. And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.


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godbless
unto all always

So, which is it? Either,

The Bible is corrupted (Because, you know, the Jews changed their scriptures and everything and then the Apostle Paul came and corrupted the Gospel)

OR

The Bible proves Islam? (Because psalm 84 clearly proves that the Jews worshipped at the ka'aba at Mecca and Muhammad is mentioned in the Tnach).

Seriously?

????

AS YOU HAVE SAID FROM ONE OF
YOUR POST BEFORE ABOUT DESERT
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Also another translation is "Valley of Weeping", which is employed by the Douay-Rheims (the best Catholic Bible, 'Vale of Tears'), Young's Literal Translation, the English Revised Version, The American Standard Version and others. The New Jerusalem uses 'Valley of Balsam"; the Jerusalem Bible uses 'Valley of the Weeper' and so on. It is probable, therefore, that this verse is referring to balsam trees on the way to Zion, maybe through Gildead. This would make 100% more sense than Israelite pilgrims travelling through Mecca to go to Zion, which is absurd.

4 of the Bibles that disagree with the 'Bakkah' translation are Catholic, so it's highly likely that the preferred Catholic reading of this vers is 'valley of weeping' or something similar.

Mecca is not a 'place of springs', it is a desert. Mecca is situated in a very strange place. Had this verse said 'Yathrib' I could have given a slight, slight pause for thought. Mecca is not on any known ancient Israelite pilgrimage routes and why should it be? They pilgrimaged to Zion, their holiest place, in Jerusalem. Why would they wander to an arid desert full of pagans? It makes no sense.

Also I would like to see some proof that Mecca ever even existed in the time of David, or the Sons of Korah, 1,000 years before the birth of the Christ. Also, if the Ka'aba was a holy place of some sort and this psalm was somehow referring to it, why is it mentioned literally no-where else in the scriptures ever? Because the Jews had their own Temple, that's why; they didn't need a scummy black box in the middle of a desert, when they had their own magnificent, Jewish Temple already within a good distance.

Please

... . THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT YOU JUST
DONT ANTICIPATE THAT THE
scummy black box in the middle of a desert, (REMEMBER THAT YOU ALSO SAID THIS THINGS BEFORE FROM YOUR WRITTEN POST)
WAS STANDING ALSO IN THE DESERT ITSELF AS WHAT YOUVE SAID
BUT THEN YOU DISREGARD THE POSSIBILITIES OF HAVING A PILGRIMAGE IN
The days of the years of those muslim people pilgrimage
that happened in the past
although they were not known as muslim during that time
but the possibilities of
the life of their fathers in the days of their pilgrimage
where existed before they were been called as muslims
AND PROBABLY YOULL LEARN THIS SOMEDAY
MEANING
YOU JUST GOT CONFUSED DURING THAT TIME
AND
YOU JUST GOT LOST ON THE VERY REALITY ITSELF
FOR NOT REALIZING YOUR OWN VERY WRITTEN WORDS
DURING THAT TIME ALSO

SO IF WE MAY THEN CLARIFY THIS AGAIN
THAT THE
Mecca or Makkah (Arabic: مكة Makkah) is a city in the Hejaz in Saudi Arabia. It is the capital of that kingdom's Makkah Region. The city islocated 70 km (43 mi) inland from Jeddah in a narrow valley at a .... However, it was also the time each year that disputes would be arbitrated, ... IS IT IMPOSIBLE TO TRAVEL THERE BY IF YOU WERE ALSO FROM THE EAST (WHEN DID THE PEOPLE FROM THE WEST LEARN TO TRAVEL IN THE EAST DURING THAT TIME OF THE OLD COVENANT . . . JUST ASKIN)

HOPE YOU WOULD REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF EVERY WRITTEN WORDS LITERALLY (THOUGH WE DONT PUSH UNTO ANYONE HERE TO SEARCH THOSE WORDS THAT WERE SPIRITUALLY SAID)

but because of not being bias
as you claimed that you know the bible
then perharps you could answer this
question
:read:
DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF AS A GENTILE
AND STATE YOUR ANSWER FROM
THE (ONLY WRITTEN WORDS IN . . . .. ) BIBLE ITSELF LITERALLY

as they say
Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:
And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,
Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah:
These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.
And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the spirit and died; and was gathered unto his people.
And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as you go toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren

thats why our brethren :smoke: also asked this before
:smoke: so many temple
and not one in the desert
as they say
so what kind of pilgrimage is this
as it is written
:read:
Genesis: 47. 9. And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.
(PERHAPS YOU REALIZE NOW THE IMPORTANCE OF EVERY LITERAL WORDS THAT IS WRITTEN)

by the way
we have been informed to post this message
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
:smoke: and someone pass through then went unto this temple . ...
as it written
:read:
And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatsoever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


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godbless
unto all always

You are very confused and know nothing about the Bible. You are clearly not worth debating with. I hope you enjoy your delusions.

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godbless
unto all always

 

[The Tiger of Islam]

Mecca and the Kaaba were pagan Arab shrines that were full of cult images for the various Arab deities, until Mohammad and his group busted up all the idols and claimed it for Allah alone. Mecca and the Kaaba are really only important in Islam because of its importance to the pre-Islamic polytheistic Arab tribes and Islam incorporated a lot of indigenous Arab customs into it. Those places have nothing to do with, nor any importance to, Judaism or Christianity. It's basically just a point of ancestral pride for Arabs, as Islam is an Arab religion.

Definitely, monotheism was well known in the Arabic peninsula before Muhammad.

The Islamic encyclopedia, part 4, page 133 said: many of the people of Makkah in the pre-Islamic epoch were believing in the only God, and the last day; of them : Abdul-Muteleb the grand father of Muhammad , and Zaied Ibn Amre , they were Hanifian believing in the only God, and also keas Ibn sa'da and Waraqua Ibn Nofail and they were Nazarenes believing in the only God.

The Hanifian as mentioned before, believed in the only God, they were following the religion of Ibrahim and they are not polytheisms.

David wrote his Psalm 1600 years before the advent of Muhammad, Arabs that time were all monotheists worshipping one God. Only lately few centuries before the advent of Muhammad they turned into paganism and built idols around Kaaba.

Furthermore, idolatry was practiced by Israelites as well when the First Temple would have already been built in its Jerusalem location.

For more read here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...rs-temple-icons-dating-Old-Testament-era.html

It used to have cult images for the various pre-Islamic Arab deities, but those were removed and destroyed by Mohammad and his followers.

Exactly, and this is prophesied verbally in the Bible especially in Isaiah 42.

I see it as a spiritual pilgrimage, not a literal one which really wouldn't help at all.

Hahahaha, Oh yeah !! .. Or maybe it is metaphorical pilgrimage

This is not a valid text.
Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World is a 1977 book about the early history of Islam by the historians Patricia Crone andMichael Cook...
[9 critical reviews later]...
In 1991, Patricia Crone and Michael Cook disavowed the views that they presented in this book.
-Wikipedia

Please, tell me: How come you to that conclusion that this text is not valid ?!!

Or are you just following your desire ?!!

Where is the problem if the authors of this book disavowed some views presented in their book ? ... This is happening by almost every book on the world.

Just because an author writes it, doesn't make it true. And I already pointed out that the verse doesn't say "b'kh", which isn't even a word in Hebrew. It says "Bo'AXaH". This word is found in four other locations as well. According to your author, there would also need to be four other cities named Bakka in or around Israel (Gen. 10:19, 30, 13:10 and 1 Kings 18:46). Its just not good Hebrew reading.

All your attempts of twisting the meaning of the word "Baca" have been failed and destroyed already by clear evidence from Biblical dictionaries. The word Baca is found only in this verse and nothing else. None of your verses mentioned above contain the word "Baca". Now, you can stop twisting your scriptures to match them according to your desire.

Why would the Psalmist's point of reference be an example that this book is giving of a dry valley?

You ignored my question but I will repeat it again: why "the Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges" mentioned Mecca as reference and nothing else ?!!! Is Mecca the only dry place on the world ??!!

It is DRY VALLEY according to many translations, we mention for examples:

WYC
(And as they pass through the dry Baca Valley, they shall find water from a spring. For the Giver of the Law shall give them a blessing.)

GNT
As they pass through the dry valley of Baca, it becomes a place of springs; the autumn rain fills it with pools.

NIRV
As they pass through the dry Valley of Baka, they make it a place where water flows. The rain in the fall covers it with pools.

NLV
As they pass through the dry valley of Baca, they make it a place of good water. The early rain fills the pools with good also.

You didn't bring any evidence actually. What you did, was quote another author without bringing their evidence, on the assumption that they must be right, because you agree with it.

If you disown your Biblical commentaries and your scholars, this is your problem. But don't claim that I did not bring any evidence for I have mentioned 5 irrefutable proofs beside Biblical commentaries and you ignored them totally. I will summarize them again:

1. The word "Baca" is proper name of location, it was the common name of Mecca in the past as it is mentioned in the Holy Quran and the oldest Arabic lexicons like Lisan Al-Arab. Moreover, none of your Biblical commentators could bring certain definition of this location. What they have done is twisting its meaning with other similar words and giving only assumptions and probabilities.

2. In this location, there is a House of God where pilgrims used to dwell in.

3. Mecca is located in narrow valley, we read from Wikipedia:

"Mecca (/ˈmɛkə/) or Makkah (Arabic: مكة‎‎ Makkah) is a city in the Hejaz in Saudi Arabia. It is the capital of that kingdom's Makkah Region. The city is located 70 km (43 mi) inland from Jeddah in a narrow valley at a height of 277 m (909 ft) above sea level."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca

4. This valley is dry and we know that Arabic peninsula including Mecca is is dry land.

5. There is a well of good water in this dry land, we also know that among the wonders of Mecca is the well of Zamzam which is located just few meters beside the House of God.

Jesus comes from the Aramaic version of Joshua and means "G-d saves".
John comes from the Hebrew version of Johanan and means "G-d favors".
Mark comes from the Latin Martkos and means "consecrated to Mars".

Yes.

The meanings of these names is something else. I am talking about translating these words to other languages. Why the English translators of the Bible did not use the words "G-d saves", "G-d favors" and "consecrated to Mars" in place of proper names ?!!

When two words in Hebrew share a root, they are usually related. So this wouldn't be twisting, this is simply how the language works.

What root "Baca" share with "beki" ?!!

Here's the other part of that.

The word "Allon Bakuth" is far away from Baca, don't try again to relate different words with each others. This word appears only once in the Bible in Genesis 35:8

Yes. Unlike the Bacca of Mecca, this Baca is spelled exactly the same way as the one in Psalms. It actually makes more sense this way, because if it were a proper name, it shouldn't have put in the "the" prefix. The way its written it says, "valley [of] the Baca". This makes sense if Baca is the name of a tree. its the "valley [of] the baca [trees]." If it were a name of a place it should have said, "valley Baca", the same way it says, "desert Sin", "plains Mamre", etc when referring to names of places.

Ok, lets refute this weak and baseless argument:

Balsam-trees are said to love dry situations, growing plentifully for example in the arid valley of Mecca, and this is clearly the point of the reference.

Source: Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

Baca may mean 'balsam tree', which grows in dry soil. The point at all events seems to be that the valley is arid.

Source: Peake's Commentary on the Bible


Now, tell me: Where is the location of the valley of Balsam-trees which is mentioned in Psalm 84:6 ?!!

These Bible's are not giving the literal translation and from the looks of it, are also copying each other. Young's Bible gives better translations. Not just now but in general.

Those passing through a valley of weeping, A fountain do make it, Blessings also cover the director.

I don't know why Strong adds the word "well" in there immediately after explaining that the word means spring.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/cambridge/psalms/84.htm
Pure rejection of your own sources without a drop of evidence. I have nothing to say but: May God guide you to the right path. You know the truth but you reject it arrogantly !!

 

[FearGod]

Bakkah in the bible and Bakkah in the quran, Bakkah is a name for a place.
Pilgrimage was also mentioned, just coincidences.

Many people don't realize that coincidences are responsible for many things including the stupidity
in some people which can't be by their own choice.

 

[Rival]

~;> and again
before you answer the answered question ...



indeed
so proceed to
:read: (again this traffic really
get us slow . . . )

~;> atleast his not claiming anything about all the written words in the bible
from what weve seen so far
unlike what youve claimed
without giving any stand about your faith in the written scripture
or if we may say
you just thought you could know anything about the bible
but it happends to be your not understanding the very question that
our breathren :smoke: asked you before
:read: (as it is written)



AS YOU HAVE SAID FROM ONE OF
YOUR POST BEFORE ABOUT DESERT
:read:





... . THEREFORE WE CONCLUDE THAT YOU JUST
DONT ANTICIPATE THAT THE
scummy black box in the middle of a desert, (REMEMBER THAT YOU ALSO SAID THIS THINGS BEFORE FROM YOUR WRITTEN POST)
WAS STANDING ALSO IN THE DESERT ITSELF AS WHAT YOUVE SAID
BUT THEN YOU DISREGARD THE POSSIBILITIES OF HAVING A PILGRIMAGE IN
The days of the years of those muslim people pilgrimage
that happened in the past
although they were not known as muslim during that time
but the possibilities of
the life of their fathers in the days of their pilgrimage
where existed before they were been called as muslims
AND PROBABLY YOULL LEARN THIS SOMEDAY
MEANING
YOU JUST GOT CONFUSED DURING THAT TIME
AND
YOU JUST GOT LOST ON THE VERY REALITY ITSELF
FOR NOT REALIZING YOUR OWN VERY WRITTEN WORDS
DURING THAT TIME ALSO

SO IF WE MAY THEN CLARIFY THIS AGAIN
THAT THE
Mecca or Makkah (Arabic: مكة Makkah) is a city in the Hejaz in Saudi Arabia. It is the capital of that kingdom's Makkah Region. The city islocated 70 km (43 mi) inland from Jeddah in a narrow valley at a .... However, it was also the time each year that disputes would be arbitrated, ... IS IT IMPOSIBLE TO TRAVEL THERE BY IF YOU WERE ALSO FROM THE EAST (WHEN DID THE PEOPLE FROM THE WEST LEARN TO TRAVEL IN THE EAST DURING THAT TIME OF THE OLD COVENANT . . . JUST ASKIN)

HOPE YOU WOULD REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF EVERY WRITTEN WORDS LITERALLY (THOUGH WE DONT PUSH UNTO ANYONE HERE TO SEARCH THOSE WORDS THAT WERE SPIRITUALLY SAID)

but because of not being bias
as you claimed that you know the bible
then perharps you could answer this
question
:read:
DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF AS A GENTILE
AND STATE YOUR ANSWER FROM
THE (ONLY WRITTEN WORDS IN . . . .. ) BIBLE ITSELF LITERALLY

as they say
Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:
And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa,
Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah:
These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.
And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the spirit and died; and was gathered unto his people.
And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as you go toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren

thats why our brethren :smoke: also asked this before
:smoke: so many temple
and not one in the desert
as they say
so what kind of pilgrimage is this
as it is written
:read:
Genesis: 47. 9. And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage.
(PERHAPS YOU REALIZE NOW THE IMPORTANCE OF EVERY LITERAL WORDS THAT IS WRITTEN)

by the way
we have been informed to post this message
as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
:smoke: and someone pass through then went unto this temple . ...
as it written
:read:
And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatsoever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.


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godbless
unto all always


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godbless
unto all always

I think you need help.

 

[The Tiger of Islam]

What language are you speaking?

Again:
Let's say for example that this valley was another name for Jezreel valley. Someone living in Carmiel would pass through the valley on the way to Jerusalem. That's what the psalm is describing. That people coming from whatever place, are passing through this valley on their way to Jerusalem. The House of G-d is in Jerusalem. The people are in Carmiel (or wherever). And they happen to pass through this valley on the way to get to Jerusalem. The House of G-d is not in the valley, its in Zion (another name for Jerusalem).
This is what the psalm says:
v5 - praises the person who goes to the Temple.
v6 - continues to praise how that person is always thinking about the path he takes to get there
v7- through this valley of Baca which has springs and is blessed with early rains.

The "early rain" here is the word for the first rains in Israel that usually fall in the Jewish months of Tishrei or Cheshvan. Tishrei is the month of the Tabernacles pilgrimage. So we understand that the psalmist is talking about someone who is thinking about his pilgrimage to the Temple for the upcoming holiday of Tabernacles.

Again, you are twisting the scriptures to match them according to your lust.

The context is talking about travellers passing through the House of God for pilgrimage until they appear before God in Zion. Moreover, Historical evidence shows that the first temple of Jerusalem was built after David wrote the book of Psalms. So, there was no temple before this passage in Jerusalem at all.

Some translators tried to twist the meaning of this verse to run away from the clear reference of the House of God in Mecca by translating it to:

``blessed are the righteous'', and the Arabic version, "blessed are all they that dwell, &c".

 

[The Tiger of Islam]

Excuse me for I don't have so much time to respond to all comments. I would love to go in debate with only one person. ​

 

[Rival]

Excuse me for I don't have so much time to respond to all comments. I would love to go in debate with only one person. ​

Pick a poster and then invite him to the one-on-one debates area, perhaps?

 

[The Tiger of Islam]

Pick a poster and then invite him to the one-on-one debates area, perhaps?

Why don't you pick the best one among you to debate me ?!!

​

 

[Augustus]

Please, tell me: How come you to that conclusion that this text is not valid ?!!

Or are you just following your desire ?!!

Where is the problem if the authors of this book disavowed some views presented in their book ? ... This is happening by almost every book on the world.

Can I ask why you consider Hagarism to be a valid source when it not only argues against your OP but also against the entire orthodox Muslim version of the origins of Islam?

 

[Burl]

Why don't you pick the best one among you to debate me ?!!

 

[Tumah]

Please, tell me: How come you to that conclusion that this text is not valid ?!!

Or are you just following your desire ?!!

Where is the problem if the authors of this book disavowed some views presented in their book ?

There are two reasons why:
1. Citing the book is an appeal to authority. The authors of an given scholarly work are not correct by virtue of the fact that they wrote it. It means that they are presenting a theory, but that theory can still be invalidated.
2. The authors themselves see the flaw in the line of thinking of their book. Unless they lost knowledge since writing the book, logically, it makes no sense to quote them on something they don't believe to be true.

... This is happening by almost every book on the world.

Can you prove this? Because I have never heard of this before

All your attempts of twisting the meaning of the word "Baca" have been failed and destroyed already by clear evidence from Biblical dictionaries. The word Baca is found only in this verse and nothing else. None of your verses mentioned above contain the word "Baca". Now, you can stop twisting your scriptures to match them according to your desire.

No, the word you searched for was "the Baca", not "Baca". That's a very specific usage of the word. Here is Strong's citing the other usage that I quoted to you before, complete with a link back to this Baca.

And that has nothing to do with the point you are responding to here. Here I was only explaining to you, that the passage you quoted earlier equating "BoAXa" with a place called BaXa_ makes no sense as the word appears in other contexts as well. It comes from the root word meaning "to come" and it means "your coming to".

I'm starting to wonder if you're actually understanding what I'm saying, as all you've done so far is tell me that I'm twisting the Scriptures without explaining how I'm doing so.

You ignored my question but I will repeat it again: why "the Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges" mentioned Mecca as reference and nothing else ?!!! Is Mecca the only dry place on the world ??!!

How many examples of famous dry valleys would have made you happy...?

It is DRY VALLEY according to many translations, we mention for examples:

WYC
(And as they pass through the dry Baca Valley, they shall find water from a spring. For the Giver of the Law shall give them a blessing.)

NLV
As they pass through the dry valley of Baca, they make it a place of good water. The early rain fills the pools with good also.

I'm writing this even though its not clear to me that you understand what I'm saying, so that at least other people

Again, if you are familiar with the scholarship that was done here, you'll realize that the nature of the valley is not described in the verse, but is assumed based on another assumption of what type of tree is being referenced. Because BaXa_ shares a root with BeXI (meaning weeping), the consensus of those scholars is that BaXa_ is referring to the mulberry tree which has a sap reminiscent of tears. And because this tree thrives in dry climates, the valley must have been a dry valley. But its not known for sure and other scholars give other possibilities for the type of tree. In fact I see another scholar associates it with the Willow, a very common tree in Israel (with a related cultivar called the "Weeping Willow") that thrives in moist climates. And another scholar associates it with a berry shrub. What you are presenting here, is just one of the possibilities that caught on among a number of translations.

If you disown your Biblical commentaries and your scholars, this is your problem. But don't claim that I did not bring any evidence for I have mentioned 5 irrefutable proofs beside Biblical commentaries and you ignored them totally. I will summarize them again:

1. The word "Baca" is proper name of location, it was the common name of Mecca in the past as it is mentioned in the Holy Quran and the oldest Arabic lexicons like Lisan Al-Arab. Moreover, none of your Biblical commentators could bring certain definition of this location. What they have done is twisting its meaning with other similar words and giving only assumptions and probabilities.

2. In this location, there is a House of God where pilgrims used to dwell in.

3. Mecca is located in narrow valley, we read from Wikipedia:

"Mecca (/ˈmɛkə/) or Makkah (Arabic: مكة‎‎ Makkah) is a city in the Hejaz in Saudi Arabia. It is the capital of that kingdom's Makkah Region. The city is located 70 km (43 mi) inland from Jeddah in a narrow valley at a height of 277 m (909 ft) above sea level."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca

4. This valley is dry and we know that Arabic peninsula including Mecca is is dry land.

5. There is a well of good water in this dry land, we also know that among the wonders of Mecca is the well of Zamzam which is located just few meters beside the House of God.

All of these things are true. But you have yet to conclusively prove that any of this is related at all to the the BaXa_ of Psalms.

The meanings of these names is something else. I am talking about translating these words to other languages. Why the English translators of the Bible did not use the words "G-d saves", "G-d favors" and "consecrated to Mars" in place of proper names ?!!

Because in English, it wouldn't be recognizable that these are names. But in their original languages, it is common knowledge. In Hebrew, there is no capitalization or any other indicator of what is the name of a person, place or thing. The English commentators add that in based on what they believe the word to mean. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong.

What root "Baca" share with "beki" ?!!

BXI/H [בכי/ה] is the root. BaXa_ is derived from this root. B'XiYaH is another word derived from that root that means "weeping". BoXuTH is another word derived from that root that means "weeping". Hebrew has a lot of ways to say the same thing. When a root word has the letter yodh (I) at the, it can often drop that letter. Another examples of this would be the root word פרי P'RI, which means fruit, but in plural is written PeROTH. So even though we are only seeing to similar letters, BX (or PR in my example) the root has an additional letter that was dropped for the permutation.

The word "Allon Bakuth" is far away from Baca, don't try again to relate different words with each others. This word appears only once in the Bible in Genesis 35:8

Both BaXa_ and ALoN BaXUTH link to the same page in the Exhaustive Concordance of BaXaH. So you'll have to explain why you are saying this.

Ok, lets refute this weak and baseless argument:

Balsam-trees are said to love dry situations, growing plentifully for example in the arid valley of Mecca, and this is clearly the point of the reference.

Source: Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges

Baca may mean 'balsam tree', which grows in dry soil. The point at all events seems to be that the valley is arid.

Source: Peake's Commentary on the Bible

There is no refutation here. You only reiterated your quotation about the Balsam tree loving dry climates. That doesn't deal with my point at all.

Now, tell me: Where is the location of the valley of Balsam-trees which is mentioned in Psalm 84:6 ?!!

Nobody knows anymore. They're probably long gone.

Pure rejection of your own sources without a drop of evidence. I have nothing to say but: May God guide you to the right path. You know the truth but you reject it arrogantly !!

Of the two of us, I think I'm probably more qualified to say that I understand my sources. I can read and speak Hebrew and that is the language that I study Tanach in. You on the other hand, without knowing a shred of Hebrew are [not arrogantly???] telling me that I don't understand what I'm reading, because of some sources that you don't seem to really understand.

But its funny you wrote that last line there as I mentioned to someone last night that you probably think that deep down we all know the "truth".

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

But its funny you wrote that last line there as I mentioned to someone last night that you probably think that deep down we all know the "truth".

And I owe you five zenny.

 

[Tumah]

Hey @Rival Check this out:

Pure rejection of your own sources without a drop of evidence. I have nothing to say but: May God guide you to the right path. You know the truth but you reject it arrogantly !!

 

[Rival]

Hey @Rival Check this out:

Tumah, bro, our work here is done.

 

[Burl]

A contumacy,

"Islamically speaking, people who come in contact of Quran/ISLAM, Undestand Quran/ISLAM VERY WELL but still reject it(arrogantly) and mock at it will go to hell."

"He who has in his heart the weight of an atom of pride shall not enter Paradise."

 

[ukok102nak]

~;> why dont you tell it to your self now
that you just need help to tell the truth first

by the way
who needs help to someone who cant even stand the ground of its own doctrine
and answer a simple question
regarding unto its faith

for when he diminish those faith of another human being
i confirmed not to agree and
its thats only fair if may say so

thats why
those pictures were just for decoration
or is it real that its the real face thats mary's
want to view for herself
and
perhaps it tells more than written scripture from the bible
but probably it just a
coincidences if the bible says something about the graven image of
this person (yeah that is you)
who really needs help to its misguided
misleading teachings


:ty:



godbless
unto all always

I think you need help.

 

[Rival]

~;> why dont you tell it to your self now
that you just need help to tell the truth first

by the way
who needs help to someone who cant even stand the ground of its own doctrine
and answer a simple question
regarding unto its faith

for when he diminish those faith of another human being
i confirmed not to agree and
its thats only fair if may say so

thats why
those pictures were just for decoration
or is it real that its the real face mary
and
perhaps it tells more than written scripture from the bible
but probably it just a
coincidences if the bible says something about the graven image of
this person (yeah that is you)
who really needs help to its misguided
misleading teachings


:ty:



godbless
unto all always

That's nice, dear.

 

[Shia Islam]

Mecca did exist before the advent of Christianity -Secular historical evidence

https://books.google.com.bh/books?id=oysUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=“The+people+that+inhabit+these+parts+are+called+Bizomenians+and+live+upon+wild+beasts+taken+in+hunting.+Here+is+a+sacred+temple+in+high+veneration+among+all+the+Arabians.&source=bl&ots=U2qA4jD31H&sig=Rpvl7GZ-fg6spCJ-PGkHM3TYvY8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjom7GJyO7OAhXLaxQKHY4yDzsQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=“The people that inhabit these parts are called Bizomenians and live upon wild beasts taken in hunting. Here is a sacred temple in high veneration among all the Arabians.&f=false

 

[Augustus]

Mecca did exist before the advent of Christianity -Secular historical evidence

Why is that evidence?

 

[Tumah]

Mecca did exist before the advent of Christianity -Secular historical evidence


https://books.google.com.bh/books?id=oysUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=“The+people+that+inhabit+these+parts+are+called+Bizomenians+and+live+upon+wild+beasts+taken+in+hunting.+Here+is+a+sacred+temple+in+high+veneration+among+all+the+Arabians.&source=bl&ots=U2qA4jD31H&sig=Rpvl7GZ-fg6spCJ-PGkHM3TYvY8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjom7GJyO7OAhXLaxQKHY4yDzsQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=“The people that inhabit these parts are called Bizomenians and live upon wild beasts taken in hunting. Here is a sacred temple in high veneration among all the Arabians.&f=false

I don't mean so sidetrack the thread, but seriously, what's with the two of you not being able to write in regular size 4 non-bolded Arial?