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some folks believe that matter creates consciousness.
so at what point does matter create consciousness? how does something go from being no conscious matter to conscious matter?
how do you create something from nothing?
It is not creating something from nothing. Get used to get the preliminary information from Wikipedia.some folks believe that matter creates consciousness.
so at what point does matter create consciousness? how does something go from being no conscious matter to conscious matter?
how do you create something from nothing?
amoeba's don't have brains but they are consciousIt is not creating something from nothing. Get used to get the preliminary information from Wikipedia.
"For vertebrates, the early stages of neural development are similar across all species. As the embryo transforms from a round blob of cells into a wormlike structure, a narrow strip of ectoderm running along the midline of the back is induced to become the neural plate, the precursor of the nervous system. The neural plate folds inward to form the neural groove, and then the lips that line the groove merge to enclose the neural tube, a hollow cord of cells with a fluid-filled ventricle at the center. At the front end, the ventricles and cord swell to form three vesicles that are the precursors of the prosencephalon (forebrain), mesencephalon (midbrain), and rhombencephalon (hindbrain)."
Brain - Wikipedia
Brain of a human embryo in the sixth week of development.
That's pretty debatable. The fact that a cell will contract in response to some external stimuli hardly warrants it being labeled as 'conscious'. On the other hand, it is an example of how consciousness can eventually result from such dynamic complexity.amoeba's don't have brains but they are conscious
That's pretty debatable. The fact that a cell will contract in response to some external stimuli hardly warrants it being labeled as 'conscious'. On the other hand, it is an example of how consciousness can eventually result from such dynamic complexity.
I think consciousness demands a higher bar then that. My desk fan "responds" to the flip of a switch. But that doesn't mean it's "aware" of anything.consciousness is nothing but awareness. either internal or external. amoeba manipulate their environments. consciousness can be scalar
at what point does matter create consciousness? how does something go from being no conscious matter to conscious matter?
amoeba's don't have brains but they are conscious
some folks believe that matter creates consciousness.
so at what point does matter create consciousness? how does something go from being no conscious matter to conscious matter?
how do you create something from nothing?
@Polymath explained it in some post today. They are reactive but not conscious. Trees also are reactive.amoeba's don't have brains but they are conscious.
I think consciousness demands a higher bar then that. My desk fan "responds" to the flip of a switch. But that doesn't mean it's "aware" of anything.
It would be hard to define exactly what constitutes consciousness, but I think it must have something to do with being aware of awareness. For a brain to "think", it has to be able to perceive of alternatives. To produce an hold onto two information sets, to compare and contrast. Auto-response requires just one information set so not thought or awareness is manifesting. "Thought" requires an alternative through which to perceive the awareness of choice, values, etc.,. And it's that awareness that defines consciousness.I would agree. Consciousness is much more than responsiveness. A thermostat is responsive. But it is not conscious (although I have seen it argued otherwise). Computers, at least at this stage of our technology, are not conscious.
amoeba's don't have brains but they are conscious
Consciousness is not simply reacting to the environment, as single-celled animals like amoebae can do. It requires something more -- it requires parts of the nervous system to be aware of what is occurring in other parts of the nervous system. \That's pretty debatable. The fact that a cell will contract in response to some external stimuli hardly warrants it being labeled as 'conscious'. On the other hand, it is an example of how consciousness can eventually result from such dynamic complexity.
No. Matter IS consciousness.some folks believe that matter creates consciousness.
Smart amoebas reveal origins of primitive intelligence | New ScientistReally? how is that so?
I don't see amoeba as being conscious. They are alive, but they don't have thoughts or plans or anything usually associated with consciousness.
you're speaking to self-awareness. that is just another form of being awareIt would be hard to define exactly what constitutes consciousness, but I think it must have something to do with being aware of awareness. For a brain to "think", it has to be able to perceive of alternatives. To produce an hold onto two information sets, to compare and contrast. Auto-response requires just one information set so not thought or awareness is manifesting. "Thought" requires an alternative through which to perceive the awareness of choice, values, etc.,. And it's that awareness that defines consciousness.
There is no "just being aware". To be aware requires our being aware of our being aware. It requires "other" awareness, too, for it so perceive it's "self".you're speaking to self-awareness. that is just another form of being aware