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Featured Love your enemies. Really!?!

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Mark Dohle, Sep 5, 2018.

  1. pearl

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    That was always a stumbling block for me as I judged myself. Ultimately I turned it around, trying to see me as God 'sees' me. Loving those who have hurt me needs to be, I think, preceded by forgiveness. Genuine forgiveness can be difficult, and may take much time. Have to reconcile the head that says forgive, with the heart that says not so fast. I could never understand how the congregation in the church where so many were gunned down while at prayer, were so quick to forgive, a genuine love for the enemy, I envied that.
     
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    What does it mean to love your enemies?
    How does a person show love to their enemies?
    Let's for say, that you have this enemy and the building your living in, is on fire.
    Now do you show love to your enemy by letting them know that the building being on fire, So you let them know, by this you showed love to your enemy.

    Lets for say, you have this enemy that comes at you to hurt you.
    Now you pick up a big club and show them, that you love them, but if it comes to push and shove, You will push and shove back. Not backing down. Your showing them to have respect for you.
     
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    crossfire Antinomian feminist heretic freak ☿
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    A bit of Buddhadharma to shed some light regarding loving your enemies:

    Dhammapada 1:5
    Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is a law eternal.
    Meeting hatred with hatred only builds more hatred, which can escalate to the point that it overcomes your mind. When hatred overcomes your mind, you are defeated by it.
     
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    Or as Vivekananda said: “Hold the ideal a thousand times, and if you fail a thousand times, make the attempt once more. . . . There is infinite life before the soul. Take your time and you will achieve your end.”
     
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    stvdv Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV

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    Many times "the obvious is just what it is" plain and simple.
     
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    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    And many times it isn't.
     
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    stvdv Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV

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    But when it is, it makes no sense to still go against the obvious
     
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    Question:
    Christians have fought in most wars, certainly the two world wars. Did they love the enemy as they were shooting them?
     
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    Thank you for openly and honestly sharing. I really appreciate hearing someone be real and not just hide in the pages of the Bible.

    There is in the Old Testament, perhaps, a stronger attention to what real people are like. Jesus is after all perfect unlike any of us.
     
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    Amen to that.
     
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    For sure they forgot to "turn the other cheek". So I think Christianity should start being honest
    1: We have been hypocrites all these 2000 years. Writing "turn the other cheek" and in the same time we Christians fought the most war in an Un-Ghandi way.
    2: One big error in the Bible is "Turn the other cheek". This (error) proves the Bible is not the Book of God; it is the Book of man with "Divine" inspiration.

    If The Pope++ admits "The Church lied for 2000 years", maybe Christianity will have a chance to survive. Otherwise it must be doomed; "Truth will always Win" IMO
     
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    Would you care to explain exactly what it means to turn the other cheek ?
     
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    What did Jesus mean by
    ( love your enemies ? )

    To love your enemies
    Let's for say, that you live in apartment building, and one day you woke up to see the building on fire, And you have a enemy that lives in the building also.

    Now do you leave your enemy to burn up in the building or do you show love towards your enemy and wake them up, to get them out of the burning building ?

    Let's for say, you have an enemy that comes at you to do you harm, Now do you stand there, letting them beat on you or do you show them love by picking up a big club letting them know, you show me respect and I will show you my respect out of love for you. That I am not your walk on.

    Alot of people in the churches are taught to love your enemies, that if someone comes at them, they are to stand there doing nothing, all the while the other person beats on them.

    As for me, if someone comes at me to beat on me, I will definitely pick up a big club and knock them up side the head, letting them know, You have Respect for me and I will show you my Respect out of love for you, That I am not your walk on.
    You correct them in the error of their way.
    That's how you Love your enemies.
     
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    You know, that sounds alot like liberal democrats.
    They are so full of hatred, that their hatred only builds to more hatred.
    That it Escalate's to the point that it over comes their minds.
     
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    In the Baptist Church I have gone, I always said "I don't believe that turn the other cheek is meant to just let the other hit you". But that is how they interpreted it.
     
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    'Turn the other cheek' needs to be understood within context of time and culture. It is actually non violent resistance. The same principle may be the Mahatma, Martin Luther King.

    http://www.holytextures.com/turn-the-other-cheek-nonviolent-resistance-to-violence.html

    And many Christians and others have fulfilled their obligation to country as a 'conscientious objector'.
     
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    That's all because they follow their Pastor's teachings and not the teachings of Christ Jesus.
    This is why Christ Jesus said in
    Matthew 15:7-9--
    7-- Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

    8-- This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

    9-- But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

    What is ment by ( turn the other cheek )

    Let's for say, that someone talking to a person and that person tells the other person that they don't want to hear no more, But yet the other person keeps right on going, The other has had enough that they hit the other person, all because they kept right on going, after the other person told them to stop, that they didn't want to hear no more.
    So who's at fault, the one for not stopping when ask to stop or the one that had enough that caused them to hit the other person to get them to stop.
    So Now turn the other cheek so they hit you for your not stopping when ask, all because they deserved being hit, for not stopping when ask to stop.
     
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    Politics is powered by hatred. Why do you think it was Satan who offered Jesus all the Kingdoms of the world? Why did Jesus refuse?
     
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    Sure they love their enemies.

    Let's for say, that someone comes to beat you, now do you stand there letting them beat on you or do you stand your ground, beating them back, showing them the error of their way, that you are not going to just stand there while they beat on you.

    So out of love, you show your enemies the error of their way. by standing your ground pushing them back.
     
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    Thank you for explaining. That makes more sense to me. When I irritate someone and then the other hits me then it's my own fault, and I should not complain. I agree.
    Maybe better not to turn the other cheek, because then the other might start liking "hitting other people" too much, that is also not healthy for him. But I get your point.

    My own explanation was:
    1) turn your back to him; meaning walk away. Better to avoid people who hurt others
    2) hit the other's cheek (of course only when the other is wrong in the first place)

    Few month back, for the first time, I heard the expression "tongue in cheek". Maybe this is also related to these Bible verses.

    I also read your next reply "to stand your ground". I agree with that. This whole picture makes much more sense than just "let the other hit you"

    Maybe one exception is Jesus when He said "Father forgive them, for they do not know what they do". But that is only possible when you have no anger at all, when being hit.
     
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