Round and round we go...where she stops..nobody knows...
Hence...the proclamation that Jesuus is his Son.
This ayaha does not contain any negatives at all to do with Jesus...only the affirmative...
Perhaps this is why it has you doing the jitterbug...
I love how you conveiently cut out ALL the quotes that Arberry translated that say Allah has no son.
Mind if I give them to you again.????....It doesn't matter I'm going to anyway...
Arberry Translation)
2:116
And THEY say, 'God has taken to Him a son. Glory be to Him! Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth; all obey His will --
4:171
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not, 'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him -- That He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; God suffices for a guardian.
(Arberry Translation)
3:59
In the name of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only
Allah, the One upon whom depend
He does not beget and he was not begotten
And there are none comparable to Him
(Arberry Translation)
9:30
And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
(Arberry Translation)
10:68
THEY say, 'God has taken to Him a son. Glory be to Him! He is All-sufficient; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; you have no authority for this. What, do you say concerning God that you know not?
(Arberry Translation)
17:111
And say: 'Praise belongs to GOD HAS NOT TAKEN A SON, and who has not any associate in the Kingdom, nor any protector out of humbleness.' And magnify Him with repeated magnificats.
(Arberry Translation)
18:4
and to warn those who say, 'God has taken to Himself a son';
(Arberry Translation)
19:35
It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing, He but says to it 'Be,' and it is.
(Arberry Translation)
19:88, 89, 91,92
And THEY say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.
You have indeed advanced something hideous!
that THEY have attributed to the All-merciful a son;
and it behoves not the All-merciful to take a son.
(Arberry Translation)
23:91
God has not taken to Himself any son, nor is there any god with Him; for then each god would have taken off that he created and some of them would have risen up over others; glory to be God, beyond that they describe,
(Arberry Translation)
43:81
Say: 'IF the All-merciful has a son, then I am the first to serve him.
(Arberry Translation)
72:3
He -- exalted be our Lord's majesty! has not taken to Himself either consort or a son.
Look.....I've already told you to grab your best Arabic to English version of the Quran...YES.....even a scholar that has translated it from classical arabic....and I will show all the verses above..to be in the version you pick.....as Allah HAS NO SON
Now remember this has to be a noted scholar. Not your translation and not your WIKI....
I am anxiouxly wating....tapping my toes......
Truth be told...your going to be hard pressed to find any noted scholar that will translate the Quran...(especially the verses above)...to say Allah HAS a son....Not just 4:171....but all the ayahs that clearly show that Allah has no son.
Hence...the proclamation that Jesuus is his Son.
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www.free-minds.org)
4:171
O people of the Scripture, do not overstep in your system, nor say about
God except the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was no more than
God's messenger and the fulfillment of His word to Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in
God and His messengers, and do not say: "
Trinity." Cease, for it is better for you.
God is only One god, be He glorified that He should have a son! To Him is all that is in the heavens and what is in the Earth.
God is enough as a caretaker.
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Can we still accept their rendering? They translate three as trinity). As you said - there is no arabic word for trinity.
I have no problem excepting it. Trinity/Three there's no difference.
Trinity
Also called
Blessed Trinity,
Holy Trinity. the union of
three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in one Godhead, or the
threefold personality of the one Divine Being.
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Trinity
A group consisting of
three closely related members. Also called
triunity.
Trinity Theology In most Christian faiths, the union of
three divine persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in one God. Also called
Trine.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
(Let's continue with the rendering of
www.free-minds.org)
17:111 (in part)
And say:
"Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty,
18:4,5
And to warn those who said: "God has taken a son."
They have no knowledge of this, nor do their fathers. Tremendous indeed is the word coming out of their mouths.
They are but saying a lie!
(watch out for that esclamation mark. It's emphasizing a point here)
19:88,89,91,92
And they said the Almighty has taken a son!
You have come with a gross blasphemy.
That they claimed that the Almighty had a son!
And what need does the Almighty have to take a son?
23:91 (in part)
God has not taken a son
72:3,4
And exalted is the majesty of our Lord,
He has not taken a wife nor a son.
And it was the foolish one amongst us who used to say lies about God
Here are your two mainstream scholars agreeing with each others' renderings but not with your assertion.
The authors who penned the Koran understood Jesus to be the Son.
WRONG......
Can you grab ANY of the ayahs outside of 4:171 listed above in their classical arabic form to show that the "authors" showed that Allah has a son?
I'm quite sure you can't. All you have is 4:171. Even that in itself isn't evidence to support your position taking in consideration the surrounding surahs,
Be honest. You don't really believe the world of Islam is going to change becuase you posses a little bit of arabic knowledge with the aide of your lexicon do you?
Or do you just
hope to show that Islam is a false way of life? Or is it both?
Be honest now.