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King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
So 2 billion people that believe Jesus physically rose from the grave are wrong? Wow! That’s a lot of gullible people! Haha.
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
So 2 billion people that believe Jesus physically rose from the grave are wrong? Wow! That’s a lot of gullible people! Haha.

Eh... even if that were true, so what? Are people supposed to be right about everything all the time? Everyone is wrong about something we care deeply about. It's only human

The important thing, whether we have correct information or not, is to take that information and do what positively impacts our fellow human beings as much as possible. It's always best to strive for better information so this can be done more effectively, imo, but that shouldn't stop anyone from loving one another. That's a commandment from the bible I can get behind
 

Ella S.

*temp banned*
There was a time where almost everyone on earth believed in geocentrism. In a few more centuries, the majority of people today will probably be proven wrong about many more things that have been accepted as common knowledge.

That's what happens when you're rational: you change your beliefs in light of new information. We've been doing this for millennia now.
 

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
So 2 billion people that believe Jesus physically rose from the grave are wrong? Wow! That’s a lot of gullible people! Haha.
People are gullible and often get things wrong. Have you only just realised this?

This is doubly so when some belief is embedded in their culture/religion.

"This to me is the true horror of religion, it allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions what only lunatics could believe on their own. If you wake up tomorrow morning thinking that saying a few Latin words over your pancakes is going to turn them into the body of Elvis Presley - you have lost your mind. But if you think more or less the same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus you're just a Catholic."​
-- Sam Harris​
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
People are gullible and often get things wrong. Have you only just realised this?

This is doubly so when some belief is embedded in their culture/religion.

"This to me is the true horror of religion, it allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions what only lunatics could believe on their own. If you wake up tomorrow morning thinking that saying a few Latin words over your pancakes is going to turn them into the body of Elvis Presley - you have lost your mind. But if you think more or less the same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus you're just a Catholic."​
-- Sam Harris​

Well, yes. The problem is that in a secular society we just call that politics, ideology and worldviews including in some cases for the non-religious.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
No, but how do that make a person wrong if they believe in some not true? What do you mean by wrong, how do you know it and what is your evidence?
From a previous example cited - how many believed the Earth was the centre of the universe, and since disproved - given that the vast majority of humans probably believed this until evidence came forth to show this was wrong. One example is all that is needed. I can't prove any other such beliefs are wrong but one must have doubts just because so many others believe whatever - because human nature is such as to do so.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
From a previous example cited - how many believed the Earth was the centre of the universe, and since disproved - given that the vast majority of humans probably believed this until evidence came forth to show this was wrong. One example is all that is needed. I can't prove any other such beliefs are wrong but one must have doubts just because so many others believe whatever - because human nature is such as to do so.

What does it mean, that this was wrong? You know that it is wrong. Then how do you know it is wrong?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So 2 billion people that believe Jesus physically rose from the grave are wrong? Wow! That’s a lot of gullible people! Haha.
Yes, there are, and millions believed in Marduk, Quetzalcoatl, Isis and Odin, as well. Millions believe Muhammad flew to Jerusalem on a winged horse.

Few people are philosophers, scientists, or critical thinkers. Most just go with the flow. Ad pops are not reliable evidence. Religious belief is dictated more by politics than evidence.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
So 2 billion people that believe Jesus physically rose from the grave are wrong? Wow! That’s a lot of gullible people! Haha.
1,500 years ago, over 300,000 people believed the earth was the center of our universe.

500 years ago, over 500,000 people believe the earth was flat (and sadly, that number is probably either the same or greater today).

Is it so hard to believe that the beliefs of 2 billion people may be wrong?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
People absorb a cultural narrative in childhood. It's installed long before formal thinking skills like reason and logic are learned -- if they're learned at all.
Intellectual rigor applied to the dominant social narrative generates cognitive dissonance. Few people are so dedicated to ontological truth that they'll accept the discomfiture and opprobrium that accompany critical thinking. It's so much easier and rewarding just to go with the flow.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So 2 billion people that believe Jesus physically rose from the grave are wrong? Wow! That’s a lot of gullible people! Haha.
Yep. Lots of gullible people out there for sure.

Just way far too lazy I suppose to actually analyze and use critical thinking skills to determine whether something is actually real and what's not.

Just, "They believed it , so do I".

I suppose not everyone can be Einstein.
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yep. Lots of gullible people out there for sure.

Just way far too lazy I suppose to actually analyze and use critical thinking skills to determine whether something is actually real and what's not.

Just, "They believed it , so do I".

I suppose not everyone can be Einstein.
Some people, maybe most, never even develop the critical thinking skills needed to assess reality. Abstract, analytical thinking's not something that was particularly useful during our species' evolution, nor is it today.
 

King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Some people, maybe most, never even develop the critical thinking skills needed to assess reality. Abstract, analytical thinking's not something that was particularly useful during our species' evolution, nor is it today.
Reality? You should probably stop throwing around you “REALITY” assertions and mind your own business!
 
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