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Featured Jesus vs the New Testament

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Disciple of Jesus, Mar 10, 2019.

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New testament representative of Jesus?

Poll closed Jun 18, 2019.
  1. Yes

    66.7%
  2. No

    13.3%
  3. Somewhat, more representative

    13.3%
  4. Somewhat, less representative

    20.0%
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  1. Disciple of Jesus

    Disciple of Jesus Veteran Member

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    Do you understand how these discussions or debates are supposed to work? Like writing broad statements that mean nothing, aren't contributing anything? Who said jesus wasn't a jew? Whats the reason for even writing that? Your losing credibility fast.
     
  2. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Hey, I'll be the first to say, two Jews, three opinions. :)

    Any Jew in the forum who wants to knows they are free to chime in.
     
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    sooda Well-Known Member

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    Rabbinic Judaism | Britannica.com
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Rabbinic-Judaism
    Rabbinic Judaism
    , the normative form of Judaism that developed after the fall of the Temple of Jerusalem (ad 70).

    Originating in the work of the Pharisaic rabbis, it was based on the legal and commentative literature in the Talmud, and it set up a mode of worship and a life discipline that were to be practiced by Jews worldwide down to modern times.
     
  4. Disciple of Jesus

    Disciple of Jesus Veteran Member

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    your trolling is amusing sometimes.
     
  5. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I have no problems having rational discussions with people on this forum. But occasionally I run into someone who is difficult to understand; could be for a number of different reasons, i.e. English is their second language, or their logic isn't all that great, or they simply use the language in a strange manner, you get the idea. I am having real difficulty with your posts. I am confident the problem is not me. I have nothing against you personally. I'm sure if we went out for coffee we'd get along famously.
     
  6. Disciple of Jesus

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    As opposed to Karaite Judaism.
     
  7. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Remember that the Talmud simply wrote down the Oral Torah which had existed for a long time. Certainly it existed in the Second Temple period. There were a few unresolved issues that were argued about between bet Hillel and bet Shammai, but for all practical purposes, the Oral Torah was already in place -- just not written down.
     
  8. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Karaite Judaism is a heresy.
     
  9. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    There were two, right?

    The Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud.
     
  10. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Really? I've been in forums since back in the days before the internet when we had the Bulliten Boards.
     
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  11. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Yes. We go by the Babylonian Talmud.
     
  12. Disciple of Jesus

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    No it isn't. They're jews. Not vague...remember?
     
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  14. Disciple of Jesus

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    Doesn't differ, though obviously does.

    Nothing vague about jew

    Tribal

    Heresy.

    :exclamationarrow:×:crossmark:+:circle:÷:whiteexclamation:-:whitecheck: = what...
     
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    Got into a debate on this topic with Kangaroofeathers. He or she lodged several complaints
    about my "proselytizing" (which I wasn't) so I don't want to talk about Mary worship and idols.
     
  16. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I didn't say they weren't Jews. "Jew" is a tribal designation. You can be an atheist and be a Jew. I said that Karaite Judaism was a heresy. Karaite Judaism is not a person, its a belief set, which is in opposition to Judaism.
     
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    The whole of the NT is written in koine Greek; and the parts based on the Tanakh are in fact from the Septuagint, not the Hebrew version. I've read that the Greek of Mark is rough, suggesting it's a second language, but my Greek isn't sufficient for me to comment on that.

    As for John's author being better educated and having a better style, that's not hard to believe, but I have no personal view of it.

    John of Patmos is said to be the author of Revelation. He's not the author of the gospel of John.
     
  18. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Right. For example, the correct Hebrew is that a maiden shall conceive, whereas the gospels quote the error of the Septuagint and say virgin.
     
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    A Christian is anyone who says they're a Christian, that is (if I recall aright) 'acknowledges Jesus as his or her savior'.

    Christians are as good at crimes, large and small, one or many, as anyone else.
    You can't have read the parts of the Tanakh where Yahweh authorizes the destruction of peoples and cities because they follow another god or gods. God is all for forced conversions if the bible's to be believed.
    Five wholly distinct Jesuses and six versions of the resurrection each contradicting the other five in major ways? Forensically untenable.
     
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  20. Disciple of Jesus

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    It's still Judaism, according to your definition. So, you just believe it's a heresy, that's all.
     
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