I get judged too.
So far, I'm mostly not guilty.
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I get judged too.
You make "not judging" hard <-- 212.579+I get judged too
So far, I'm mostly not guilty.
Sainthood isn't for me.You make "not judging" hard <-- 212.579+
Yes, I got that, we are no Saints yet
If Adam and Eve arrived on a previously populated, fallen world as indicated in the Israelites creation story, and had the pair not defaulted themselves then they could have weaned out defective genetic strains and diseases long ago. The races of the world would be much more homogeneous by now.I don't see why diseases or genetic deformities would be a result of our own freewill, especially when children get these things. The point of this thread is that no matter what we choose in life, to be the best we can be or to give up on ourselves and live in nihilism, there's no guarantee we will be happy; therefore we have no freewill.
Giving up is not an option, but not giving up doesn't mean things will go your way. I see no other option but to not give up and accept that things may not go to plan. But like RestlessSoul said, you could look for the best in any situation and you'll find it - so at least there is that.How did you reach this conclusion?
Any of this can happen. Assume, now, there is a God and the universe is going exactly they way God planned it. This is His design, everything that happens is exactly as it's meant to be.
What do you think the message is here? What do you interpret the meaning of our chaotic universe to be based on everything we know?
Giving up is not an option, but not giving up doesn't mean things will go your way. I see no other option but to not give up and accept that things may not go to plan. But like RestlessSoul said, you could look for the best in any situation and you'll find it - so at least there is that.
That is indeed another way to phrase itSainthood isn't for me.
I see the universe as being surprisingly benevolent, and even-handed.
It seems to have been designed to allow for the maximum degree and variety of existential expression: in that anything that can exist, gets it's chance.
And nothing that comes into being, remains extant forever, so that there is always the room and resources available for more forms of existence to come into being and take their place. And no form is being treated as special in that regard. We all come, and we all go.
Another....That is indeed another way to phrase it
It's What I saidAnother....
Not for me sainthood is.
The universe will get its rent
when it mows me lawns.
The Universe is not Amoral. It is super fair and just. Everything that happens to anyone is caused by his past actions (usually in a previous life). And any failures you have in this life will eventually result in success later, probably in the next life.Children being born with diseases, or disfigurements.
Good people dying, bad people getting far in life.
You could be on your way to beating depression, becoming religious, and trusting God, and then one day before you achieve all your goals, you're out hiking and you're attacked by a bear. Killed.
You could have gone to school, became a great genius, but never getting into a career long enough to make a breakthrough.
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Since it is better to exist than not to exist, a design that provides that opportunity in as many ways and varieties as is possible strikes me as a benevolent design.How did you reach this conclusion?
If we are going to consider the universe a moral agent it is mostly uncaring. I have no idea how that could be framed as benevolent.
I presume that such a world could only exist by 'magic'. Meaning that it's not really possible.A world with unlimited resources would also solve that problem, and in a fairly more elegant way.
The Universe is not Amoral. It is super fair and just. Everything that happens to anyone is caused by his past actions (usually in a previous life). And any failures you have in this life will eventually result in success later, probably in the next life.
And death (or being killed) is not the worst thing to happen. You get to spend a time interval of rest and relaxation before being born again with a fresh start.
Not a bad scheme at all.
Here is some info on Karma: Individual Karma and Group Karma
Since it is better to exist than not to exist, a design that provides that opportunity in as many ways and varieties as is possible strikes me as a benevolent design.
I presume that such a world could only exist by 'magic'. Meaning that it's not really possible.
To me the 'meaning' of our chaotic universe is based on the teachings of everything known by Christ Jesus.Children being born with diseases, or disfigurements.
Good people dying, bad people getting far in life.
You could be on your way to beating depression, becoming religious, and trusting God, and then one day before you achieve all your goals, you're out hiking and you're attacked by a bear. Killed.
You could have gone to school, became a great genius, but never getting into a career long enough to make a breakthrough.
Any of this can happen. Assume, now, there is a God and the universe is going exactly they way God planned it. This is His design, everything that happens is exactly as it's meant to be.
What do you think the message is here? What do you interpret the meaning of our chaotic universe to be based on everything we know?..................................
I feel like what God is telling me is to follow through with my duties, goals, my individual meanings of life even when there's no light at the end of the tunnel. To not fully give up on myself to fall victim of hedonism or nihilism, but to aim for my goals while being happy doing so.
Kind of like optimism, but accepting that things won't necessarily turn out as you expect them to, so therefore instead of hope for the future it's more like acceptance of the future while also trying to mold it. The two are not contradictory.