ISIS & Iraq

[gnostic]

From recent news, an unknown number of Australian Muslims have gone into Iraq, to fight for ISIS militants.

I have not seen the internet video clipping, but at least one of the Australian Muslims have called on fellow Muslims to take part on in this horrible war.

It may a terrible for me to say, but I hoped that these Muslims don't come back, and if they do, only in the body-bags.

Why would they take part in this horrible acts?

You would think they know the differences between right and wrong, and the massacre of Iraqis by these militants were utterly and morally wrong.

No, I don't want them to come back alive or at all, Australians or not.

 

[LuisDantas]

Have they offered any explanation or justification? Perhaps as an act of solidarity or defense against Shia Iraqi and/or Kurds?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I hope they don't come back, either. They are savages and enemies of humanity. There's some British Muslims who went over there and are threatening to bring jihad to the UK.

?Black flag of jihad will fly over London?: Alarm over UK-born Iraq fighters' threat ? RT News

 

[Vinayaka]

We've had some Canadians go too.

Calgary man Farah Mohamed Shirdon fighting with terrorist group ISIS in Iraq | CTV News

 

[LuisDantas]

Wishing people to die sort of legitimizes their own desire to have us die, doesn't it?

 

[oldbadger]

Wishing people to die sort of legitimizes their own desire to have us die, doesn't it?

No......
But ISIS troops lay Iraqi men down in a line and then shot them..... many of them. This seems like a clear message of ISIS intent towards any who do not share exactly the same faith as themselves.

Over in the UK, a radio interviewer asked groups of young men who were hanging around on Brit street-corners..... 'Would you go to fight?' and the responses she was receiving were mostly showing hatred to westerners, blaming westerners for all problems in the Mid-East and wanting to go to war for their faith.

So this looks like a home security issue in the bud for future years and decades, as well as a serious threat to Kurds and Shi-ites in Iraq,..... would you agree?

 

[sandandfoam]

War created the conditions for these groups to thrive and more war won't fix it.

 

[steeltoes]

I don't wish death upon anyone, and yes, wanting people killed only legitimizes their desire to kill us.

American and British state violence is responsible for the situation in Iraq. Most people knew that it was wrong and a mistake to invade and occupy Iraq but it was the neo-conservatives in Washington that had the final say. The neo-conservatives and the waring Jihadists are cut from the same cloth, it's all civilization can do to stay out of the crossfire.

 

[oldbadger]

American and British state violence is responsible for the situation in Iraq.

True...... but I'll bet that there would not be many Kurds alive today if Saddam had not been put down. He was using poison gas on them..... I believe. I'm not trying to justify the war...... simply thinking hard for any kind of plus, and the Kurds must think that that was a plus.

Most people knew that it was wrong and a mistake to invade and occupy Iraq but it was the neo-conservatives in Washington that had the final say. The neo-conservatives and the waring Jihadists are cut from the same cloth, it's all civilization can do to stay out of the crossfire.

Ok..... but you were supported by a British Labour government.........


EDIT: I have just seen your title..... I'm going to have a drink!

 

[outhouse]

Why would they take part in this horrible acts?

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Religion over reality?


Some people cannot see the lines, of either.

 

[LuisDantas]

No......
But ISIS troops lay Iraqi men down in a line and then shot them..... many of them. This seems like a clear message of ISIS intent towards any who do not share exactly the same faith as themselves.

Indeed.

All the same, it would be a good idea not to emulate them.

Over in the UK, a radio interviewer asked groups of young men who were hanging around on Brit street-corners..... 'Would you go to fight?' and the responses she was receiving were mostly showing hatred to westerners, blaming westerners for all problems in the Mid-East and wanting to go to war for their faith.

One more reason among many to fail to prove them right.

So this looks like a home security issue in the bud for future years and decades, as well as a serious threat to Kurds and Shi-ites in Iraq,..... would you agree?

Certainly.

Wishing them dead helps to make it so, too.

 

[Sleeppy]

Wishing people to die sort of legitimizes their own desire to have us die, doesn't it?

Most people won't be willing to admit it; they're too willing to shoot first.

 

[collectivedementia]

I may be farther out of the loop than I realize,but does anyone know who the leader of ISIS is? What is the country of origin Iraq, Syria, Iran or some other Islamic state of this warlord? I do not believe I have heard this on the news reports but like I said...

 

[gnostic]

Have they offered any explanation or justification? Perhaps as an act of solidarity or defense against Shia Iraqi and/or Kurds?

A lot of people they have captured and executed are men in civilian clothing. What sort of justifications is there in that?

Any Australian Muslim who join ISIS and commit atrocity in Iraq, deserve it if he get killed.

Wishing people to die sort of legitimizes their own desire to have us die, doesn't it?

If they (Australians) are killed by government troops in Iraq, then good riddance. If they are captured, tried and executed or convicted with life imprisonment for the same atrocity committed by ISIS, then good riddance.

I don't want them ever coming back to Australia. They don't deserve our support or pity.

 

[steeltoes]

A lot of people they have captured and executed are men in civilian clothing. What sort of justifications is there in that?

It requires brainwashing to justify killing people in the "right" clothing.

 

[LuisDantas]

I may be farther out of the loop than I realize,but does anyone know who the leader of ISIS is? What is the country of origin Iraq, Syria, Iran or some other Islamic state of this warlord? I do not believe I have heard this on the news reports but like I said...

I get the vibe that, as is probably usual in the Middle East, there isn't too much of a central leadership. ISIS seems to me to be mostly a panic-fueled movement by Sunnis feeling threatened.

 

[LuisDantas]

A lot of people they have captured and executed are men in civilian clothing. What sort of justifications is there in that?

Any Australian Muslim who join ISIS and commit atrocity in Iraq, deserve it if he get killed.

But what did those Australians say about their reasons to want to join ISIS?

If they (Australians) are killed by government troops in Iraq, then good riddance. If they are captured, tried and executed or convicted with life imprisonment for the same atrocity committed by ISIS, then good riddance.

I don't want them ever coming back to Australia. They don't deserve our support or pity.

All the same, that attitude is hardly helpful in convincing ISIS that it should attempt to pursue peaceful ways of attaining its goals.

 

[Ingledsva]

I hope they don't come back, either. They are savages and enemies of humanity. There's some British Muslims who went over there and are threatening to bring jihad to the UK.

?Black flag of jihad will fly over London?: Alarm over UK-born Iraq fighters' threat ? RT News

Did you see on the news today, where they bragged that after Baghdad, they are heading for Israel?


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[Bunyip]

The greatest tragedy is that over the last 30 years Western interference in the Middle East has seen Iraq change from the most democratic and Westernised state in the region into a broken nation torn to peices by sectarian conflict and increasingly Islamist.

How long will it take the US to figure out that interfering in the middle east as it does only tends to shift the region ever further towards extremist Islam? US intervention is not slowing the spread and popularity or radical Islam, it is propogating it.

 

[Levite]

From recent news, an unknown number of Australian Muslims have gone into Iraq, to fight for ISIS militants.

I have not seen the internet video clipping, but at least one of the Australian Muslims have called on fellow Muslims to take part on in this horrible war.

It may a terrible for me to say, but I hoped that these Muslims don't come back, and if they do, only in the body-bags.

Why would they take part in this horrible acts?

You would think they know the differences between right and wrong, and the massacre of Iraqis by these militants were utterly and morally wrong.

No, I don't want them to come back alive or at all, Australians or not.

They're terrorists. Terrorists are, by definition, radical extremists-- doesn't matter whether they're political extremists or religious fundamentalist extremists or whatever else. In this case-- though I tend to think the conflicts in Iraq are really more about politics and control of resources-- there is this element of religious fundamentalist extremists, and I believe that such terrorists are the most extreme fringe of religious fundamentalist extremism. So much so that really, what they are doing has very little to do with either religion as a whole, or the religion they purport to represent. And that goes whether the religion they purport to represent is Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion.

I can only hope God will judge them, and all those like them, for the evil they do in His name. And if death finds them swiftly in the commission of that evil...well, I doubt the world will be worse for it.