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Featured Is the Bible clear about who will inherit the Kingdom of God?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Muffled, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    Thank you for your reply, and agree God's spirit is a neuter ' thing ' that we cannot see.
    Numbers 11:17 and Numbers 11:25 uses the neuter word "it" (thing) in describing God's spirit.
    Also, the older KJV at Romans 8:16 and Romans 8:26 also use the neuter " itself" in connection to God's spirit.
    Even in English we refer to a car or a ship as a 'she' even thought it remains a neuter "it".
    Any comments about Job 27:3.
     
  2. URAVIP2ME

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    I find talk of King Jesus' subjects or citizens to be found at Psalms 72:8; Psalms 72:12-14.
    Jesus will have subjects from 'sea to sea' which means to me from one end of the earth to the other end of earth.
    Thus, those earthly subjects or citizens will be the humble meek who inherit the earth as Jesus' promised.
    This takes place during Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rule over earth as found at 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
     
  3. URAVIP2ME

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    Please keep in mind as Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be 'destroyed forever '. No eternal life for the wicked.
    I find there is No future for those who commit the unforgivable sin of Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6.
    ( Jesus, as judge, decides who is in that category - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16 )

    Also, please keep in mind biblical hell is a temporary grave according to Revelation 1:18.
    In Scripture we read Jesus operated in his own integrity yet righteous Jesus went to biblical hell.
    The day Jesus died Jesus went to hell until his God resurrected Jesus out of biblical hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
    Since Jesus, and the old Hebrew Scriptures, teach only unconscious ' sleep ' in death, then biblical hell is simply the temporary grave for the sleeping dead - John 11:11-14; Ecclesiastes 9:5; Psalms 117:17; Psalms 146:4.
    The sleeping dead who will have a resurrection as Acts of the Apostles 24:15 says (future tense) there 'will be ' a resurrection for the righteous and the unrighteous......... No resurrection for the destroyed forever wicked ones.
     
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    The Kingdoms that King Cyrus and his successors inherited when they took over the Babylonian Empire, which included the whole of Syria Palestine, the Bible is Persian political history
    in the guise of a Mythology and the New Testament plagiarises the OT, specially the Book of Isaiah and Daniel, to invent fictional nonsense just as 'Kingdom of God' , a phrase never used in
    the Old Testament.

    Israel today is not a Kingdom, but a country filled with Polish people pretending to be a the same people in the Old Testament.

    The Bible wasn't written in the 21st century, therefore it's target audience isn't 21st century people, specially Americans, who they think it was specifically written for them.
     
  5. Muffled

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    I believe I can supose you believe in pink elephants also because there are pictures of them.
     
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    If that were so then this verse would not be true:
    Heb 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this cometh judgment;

    This does not mean that a person is acquitted of sin but simply that the person is free from sin so you did get that concept right. When you look at the context you should be able to see that is what he is saying.

    PS: the freedom from sin is actually a freedom from committing sin since there isn't any flesh to commit it but the person who dies with unrepentant sin can still have sinful thoughts.
     
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    What is that? I believe It certainly doesn't come from PS 72.

    I fail to see a justification for that statement.
     
  8. djhwoodwerks

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    There are three types of people? Righteous, unrighteous AND wicked ones?
     
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    How can you fail to see this, from psalm 72, even 37, and Daniel chapter 7?

    I believe I did quote enough material for this to be apparent. There are enough Bibles out there for you to verify that Ps. 72 contains what I said it did.
     
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    I wonder why you would reference another version of the Bible to make a point, when they are viewed by witnesses as, "filled with Trinity errors"? Isn't that why your group re-wrote their own bible?

    Ephesians 3:9 (ESV Strong's) 9 and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things,

    Colossians 1:16 (ESV Strong's) 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

    Since the Bible says that God created all "things", are we to consider ourselves neuter an "it' also?
     
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    I suppose you believe resurrecting zombie man walked on water saved your Sin cos your g-g-g-grandmother ate a fruit cos tempted by a snake. At least i can provide contemporary evidence dating to the 1st Century CE, all you can provide is Late-later 11th century CE translated unoriginal text.
     
  12. URAVIP2ME

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    I find 'all types' come under 2 Peter 3:9 to 'repent' if you do not want to 'perish ' ( be destroyed ).
    Most of mankind have lived and died before ever hearing about Jesus - John 3:13 - so they could very easily have practised unrighteousness without realizing it. Remember: the temporary Constitution of the Mosaic Law was only for one nation, and one nation only, which was the nation of ancient Israel. The other nations did Not have that Law.
    By the coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37 those judged as haughty ' goats' are classed with wicked ones who have an adverse judgement as Psalms 92:7 says the wicked will be destroyed forever.
    The humble ' sheep ' receive a favorable judgement and classed as being righteous or upright ones. Those figurative ' sheep ' can remain alive on Earth, and keep on living on Earth right into calendar Day One when Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth begins. During Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth even those classed as unrighteous ones will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth with the opportunity to live forever on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall. Thus, Jesus fullfills God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families of Earth will be blessed, and All nations of Earth will be blessed, Blessed with the benefit of healing for earth's nations as described at Revelation 22:2 when mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' on Earth for food and curing or healing of earth's nations.
     
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    God and Jesus are always referred to in the male gender. We as either male or female gender and Not neuter "it".
    Since many use the KJV translation is why I reference KJV at Numbers 11:17,25 (Neuter "it" for God's spirit )
    That is in harmony with the ancient manuscripts. Modern KJV changed "it" to he to try to keep a trinity concept.
    We can all, everyone, compare a Greek Interlinear and the Hebrew with English. No secret about the writings.
     
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    When an unrighteous person who died with sinful thoughts is resurrected back to happy-and-healthy physical life on Earth, then that unrighteous person will have the opportunity at that time to still repent. No double jeopardy for previous sins as the dead are freed or acquitted from sin. The unrighteous are Not classed with the wicked.
    'Death' stamps the price tag of sin as stamped 'Paid in Full ' according to Romans 6:23,7.
    That is why Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous. No resurrection for the destroyed wicked as per Psalms 92:7 because the wicked are destroyed forever.
     
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    Why did you reference John 3:13 to your statement that, "most of mankind died before hearing about Jesus"? And, is that just your opinion that most people lived and died before hearing about Jesus? I am pretty sure you can go thru every century from the time of Christ until present, and there will have always been the Bible and writings about Jesus.
     
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    Romans 4:14-15 (ESV Strong's) For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. 15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

    Romans 5:12-13 (ESV Strong's) 12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.

    So it was only Israel that were sinners? If the other Nations didn't have the law, sin wasn't counted against them.
     
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    The Bible says that God created all "things", which includes mankind, correct? If by my saying the Holy Spirit is a living "thing" makes it neuter, an "it", then by the same logic, mankind is neuter, and an "it".
     
  18. URAVIP2ME

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    No one who died before Jesus was born could have heard about Jesus. Nor hear about Jesus being Messiah.
    So, as John 3:13 says No one could have ascended because none of those dead people ever learned about Jesus.
    No dead person could have put faith in Jesus without ever hearing or learning about Jesus.
    Writings about Jesus were Not written prior to the first century ( C. E. common era )
    There is No history account (gospel writings) about Jesus before Jesus was born, so everyone who lived before Jesus lived could Not have put faith in Jesus' teachings because his teachings were Not recorded before the first century.
     
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    I find God used His holy spirit in creating mankind, etc. according to Psalms 104:30.
    God did Not send forth a person, but He sent forth His spirit which is neuter according to Numbers 11:17,25.
    A person could Not fit in Job's nostrils, as Job 27:4 says the spirit of God was in Job's nostrils.
    God's powerful spirit, His dynamic energy, created Job as Job 33:4 says.
    And as Psalms 143:10 says that ' God's spirit is good ' thus showing that God's spirit is something He possesses.
    The Bible does Not refer to God or Jesus in the neuter but always in the masculine gender.
    Invisible angels too are only referred to in the masculine gender.
    On the other hand, visible human creation is either in the male or female gender and never referred to as ' "it".
    However, God's spirit is neuter.
     
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    What does Jesus have to do with the OT? Nothing!

    Romans 4:3 (ESV Strong's) 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”

    Galatians 3:5-6 (ESV Strong's) 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

    Matthew 8:11 (ESV Strong's) 11 I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven,
     
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