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Featured Is the Bible clear about who will inherit the Kingdom of God?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Muffled, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. Tammie

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    Muffled asked: Is it clear about who will enter the Kingdom of God? Yes

    Most Christians believe that a person must be saved to make it into the Kingdom of God. Is that true and only that? Yes, that is true but not only that, It takes these other things to even know who the Father and the Son are.

    Repent, be Baptized and be Born Again
    John 3:5-6- Christ
    answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    John 3:3 : Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    As you grow from a child to an adult, the Father's Holy Spirit teaches you what is right and wrong, what is good and bad, etc..through His Word, When you are mature enough, the Father's Holy Spirit draws you to His Son, Christ. When you have learned that Christ is the only way to the Father, Christ reveals who the Father is.

    John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 14:6 - Christ saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Luke 10:22 - All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
     
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    Since Christians believe there is a Kingdom of God, they must be a Kingdom of Satan, where unbaptised people go to be roasted whilst they gnash their teeth.

    We are born once, it took NINE Months, for you to be created inside your mothers womb, but since Christianity is a patriarchal Father-god worship cult, then one must reject the natural birth from their mother and pretend to be born again by baptising themselves with holy Water ( Pretend amniotic fluid).

    Women are evil cos they menstruate and ate an apple cos tempted by a snake, that is why Christians, Muslims and Jews are misogynistic, they don't know any science or biology.
     
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    To answer you, no one dies, only your body of flesh and blood dies, your spirit, does not die, your spirit returns to God who gave it.
    Eccles 12:7.
     
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    Yeah, Christians sure like talking about flesh and death, it's main symbol is a dead Jew nailed to a piece of wood.

    Spirit means 'Breath', as it does in Hebrew (Ruh) and Greek (Pneuma), you die, you don't breathe thus you have no spirit.
     
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    Magus said: Since Christians believe there is a Kingdom of God, they must be a Kingdom of Satan, where unbaptised people go to be roasted whilst they gnash their teeth.

    Your exactly right,, there is a place that the Word of God says that the Kingdom of Satan will go It is called the “Lake of Fire”

    Magus said: We are born once, it took NINE Months, for you to be created inside your mothers womb, but since Christianity is a patriarchal Father-god worship cult, then one must reject the natural birth from their mother and pretend to be born again by baptising themselves with holy Water ( Pretend amniotic fluid).

    It is obvious that you do not know what born again is...like Nicodemus
    John 3:1-8

    1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

    2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

    3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

    4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

    5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

    6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

    Magus said: Women are evil cos they menstruate and ate an apple cos tempted by a snake, that is why Christians, Muslims and Jews are misogynistic.

    From a twisted statement like that, it deserves no reply
     
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    If I may ask, who or how do you come by an apple, when there is nothing written about an apple ?
    In the Hebrew manual Scripts, it is written in Ecclesiastes 12:7, Then shall the dust
    ( Body ) return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    You know that after a person die's.they enter what the world of scientist calls, The Unknown, because not even the world of scientist have any way of knowing what happens to a person after they are totally dead and enter the unknown.

    But there are those people that seem to know more than the world of scientist knows, with all that the world of scientist has in technology, they still do not know what exactly lays over in the unknown.

    It must be terrible for a person, who is laying there dieing having the unknown staring them in the face, of not knowing what is next, laying over in the unknown.

    People will say, nothing your just dead. I bet the world of scientist would like to how they come by nothing, when the world of scientist with all their technology has no way of knowing what lays over in the unknown.
     
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    Magus - since you have brought up a few valid points, I will reply to you later. Right now, I must drive to my parents home to give my Mom her Medications. She has Al timer's and so I must make sure that she gets them.
     
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    The Hebrew that is used for the fruit is -פְּרִי- (Peri ) (masculine ) and it's sexual euphemism for seminal fluid, the story is about sex.

    born-again is also about sex, or ritual purity, the English word 'Fire' and 'Pure' have the same word root, Hebrew word for Pure is 'Bor' , in Greek is it 'Pyr ', the ancient Sumerian symbol of a womb, is a candle inside a box, the Hebrew words for Fire, are also feminine.

    The Hebrew word for underworld, is also feminine, the English word 'Hell' derives from the name of a fertility goddess and her 'Cave' or her 'under-world', since the Earth was envisioned as a mother, so 'under the earth' was the womb, this is the origin of Hell, it's fire or heat symbolise the fermenting heat of gestation in the womb.

    To be born again, once must pass through the Vagina, in other words, to be born again, once must go through 'Hell' , this was the original meaning of 'Hell' , not your false perception invented by the Catholic Church that is used to instil fear into people.

    Matthew 3:11 - Baptism with Fire
    Thomas 10 - Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."
    Thomas 82 - Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom."
     
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    Ok, hope your mother other than that is doing good.
     
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    I didn't say he did. He prayed for Jesus to return, though.
     
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    Magus said earlier: The Hebrew that is used for the fruit is -פְּרִי- (Peri ) (masculine ) and it's sexual euphemism for seminal fluid, the story is about sex.

    This is obviously from a point of view from the Kabbalah teachings, where they decode the words of the bible by separating the alephbet letters of Hebrew and trying to form the understanding of what is meant. This is probably where they came up with the “Apple” being the fruit that Adam and Eve took from the Tree of Good and Evil. “they were the Apple of each others eyes”.

    For me this is absurd. Why would God tell them to be fruitful and multiply, if it was sex that they were being disobedient in?

    When I said that the last part was a twisted statement - I never said that anyone ate of an apple, you did. What was so twisted about that statement was your disregard and disrespect you seem to have for woman and what you said about Christians, Muslims and Jews being misogynistic.

    Magus said earlier: The Hebrew word for underworld, is also feminine, the English word 'Hell' derives from the name of a fertility goddess and her 'Cave' or her 'under-world.

    The word “Hell” in Hebrew is Sheol (grave, pit). There may have been a “goddess” constructed and named “Hell”, but this was never what it meant.

    Magus said earlier: To be born again, once must pass through the Vagina, in other words, to be born again, once must go through 'Hell' , this was the original belief of Hell.

    To be born at all, one must go through the Vagina, but when we die, we all go to Hell (the Grave).

    Hebrew 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    Magus said earlier: Matthew 3:11 - Baptism with Fire - Thomas 10 - Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes." Thomas 82 - Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom."

    This is correct.
    The Baptism with Fire, (about Purification) - is totally different then the Lake of Fire, (Second Death)
    Revelation 20:5-6
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:14-15

    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Look Magus: I have no beef with you. I am not forcing you to believe what I do. I simply answered the question of “Is the Bible clear about who will inherit the Kingdom of God” . I have yet seen that you have answered this question even from what you say you believe. All that I have seen from you is condemnation to others who believe differently than you do.
     
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    Plato and Zoroastrianism is the philosophical later of the New Testament, without any understanding of Platonism or Zoroastrian philosophy, the NT is just gibberish.
     
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    The transfiguration VISION ( is Not a real happening ) of Matthew 17:9. Except for living Jesus, dead Moses and dead Elijah were dead. Dead Moses and dead Elijah were Not alive in that picture VISION - Hebrews 11:13,39.
    Jesus comes in his future glory time of Matthew 16:27; Matthew 25:31-33 so I find the VISION was a preview, or a coming attraction, of what will be. Dead Moses and Elijah are still asleep in the grave as are all the people who died before Jesus died as per John 3:13. Even King David did Not ascend according to Acts of the Apostles 2:34, so like dead Moses and Elijah, dead David is also still asleep in the grave as is the dead prophet Daniel 12:2,13.
     
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    Those two men appeared in that VISION. According to Matthew 17:9, the transfiguration was a VISION.
    Please continue reading from Hebrews 11:5 down to Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39 because none of the OT people of Hebrews chapter 11 received the (resurrection) promise in the first century. As Jesus words at John 3:13 confirms to us that they did Not ascend.
    So, we need to know in what way was Elijah taken. To which heavens did Elijah ascend or was taken up.
    Elijah went ascending in that wind storm to the heavens according to 2 Kings 2:11.
    A wind storm or whirlwind exists here on Earth. The physical atmospheric heavens of Genesis 1:6-8.
    I think we can agree a wind storm or whirlwind only exists in our atmospheric expanse surrounding Earth.
    So, I find Elijah was carried up (ascended) out of sight by that wind.
    Remember: the Bible isn't saying Elijah died on that day. And the fact that Elijah was still alive years later when he wrote to the king at 2 Chronicles 21:12-15 shows Elijah did Not die in that wind storm. Elijah was simply transferred, or taken up from one place to another by that strong wind.
     
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    Magus said: Plato and Zoroastrianism is the philosophical later of the New Testament, without any understanding of Platonism or Zoroastrian philosophy, then why read the New Testament.

    I do have a very good understanding of Zoroastrianism and it's Philosophies. For me, that is all it is....a philosophy. When I read the New Testament, I believe it is the Word of God, and that for me is the truth.
     
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    We are all invited to pray the invitation of Revelation 22:20 for Jesus to come.
    Since Jesus is King of God's Kingdom (Daniel 2:44), then I find we are praying for King Jesus to come.
    At the end of Jesus kingly 1,000-year reign according to 1 Corinthians 15:24-26 then Jesus hands back God's kingdom to his God at that time and Not before that time.
     
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    Uravip2me could not have said these things any better than the way that it was explained. Nicely put.
     
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    The HUGE political image or statue of Daniel 2:31-45 I find is a transition of power or powers.
    The head of Gold was Babylon.
    The breast and arms of Silver was the Medo-Persian
    The Brass or Copper belly and thighs was Greece
    The legs of Iron were the Roman empire or political power
    The feet mixed with the Iron and Clay comes down to the weakened Clay of Britain / U.S. powers.
    So, the political statue covers more than the Babylonian time frame, goes well past Daniel's time.
    Daniel 2:44 goes past human rulership, past human government to God's kingdom government being the solution to mankind's problems.
     
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    Wow, thank you because it is Not an easy reply to make. It's hard to keep things concise and still make sense.
    If you can point out anything to help make things easier, I'm all in for any comments.
     
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    New Testament is one of the worst compilations of Books, not a single book is authentic. they are 4 contradictory Gospels and all the letters from Paul are forgeries and it plagiarises the Old Testament and invents notions of 'Messianic Prophecies' , the Old Testament debunks Christianity.

    Christians believe that Human beings will be tortured in a lake of fire , that's is the same mentally of a psychopath, to have 'thoughts' of people being tortured, Christians gonna go to heaven and masturbate for eternity whilst people are tortured down below, Christianity is just plain evil.
     
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