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Featured is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Meandflower

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    Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

    But if it is true, then which of Abrahams religions is the truth?

    Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'is all have different laws they believe God wants them to follow.

    So since the different abrahamic religions have different rules, how is one to know which rules are correct? How is one to know what rules are God's commandments and not?
     
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    Start with the first one and see if the others logically follow.
     
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    Of course not.
     
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    Not in my estimation or my experience, but I think the mystical Jewish and Islamic takes on God are closer to the truth of the matter than the Christian view of God, even the mystical Christian one.
     
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  5. Meandflower

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    Why? explain please :)
     
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    As the classic story illustrates, the Divine is beyond any religion and every religion has only one part of reality

     
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    The only way I can see them joined is that they all believe in one creator. So, maybe start off with understanding the creator by your experiences and then go from there to whichever religion makes more sense in helping you understand the creator. I think people work backwards if I were to analyze it. Instead of finding a religion to learn about the creator, develop your own experiences with the creator and find a religion that correlates to those experiences. I believe we usually believe something is true that is close to our experiences rather than something foreign that does not.
     
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  8. Vinayaka

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    For Abrahamics, absolutely, as that's their belief. Who else could be their 'real'
    God?

    Outside of the Abrahamic paradigm, no God is real, it's just belief, which is fine.
     
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    I believe there is only one God and that is the God who revealed Himself through Abraham.

    Further I believe the Baha'i Faith is a much more recent Revelation from God:

    The Bab 1844 - 1850
    Baha'u'llah 1852-1892

    Compare the Baha'i Faith's Nineteenth century revelation to that of Muhammad 610 - 632 AD, or Jesus's ministry around 3 years long between 29 and 36 AD or Moses who came over 3,500 years ago.

    The laws that were revealed in the older religions were for periods in history that were vastly different from todays era and so some many of the laws are no longer applicable. Further, the challanges facing humanity are vastly different now than they were centuries or even millenia ago.

    So while all the Abrahamic Faiths teach about One God who has Revealed Himself with many similar teachings and laws recorded in their respective books, the more recent Baha'i Faith appears more suited to todays era in history IMHO.

    Obviously many adherents of Judaism, Christianity and Islam will disagree with my assessment.
     
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    Yes. And they are all true. That is what I believe.

    They each brought laws and teachings for the needs of Their age. Note that none of these religions came at the same time but after one another. Doesn't that tell us something? That, as humanity evolves and develops a new Teacher is sent to help us evolve further.

    For example, now that we have world communication and travel, Baha’u’llah has been sent to help us establish world civilisation. But if Jesus or Muhammad spoke of world unity in Their time, how could it have been established as things like the internet and air travel had not yet been invented?

    So that is why Christ said to His disciples” I have many things I wish to tell you but you cannot understand them now, however when the Spirit of Truth comes He will explain them to you”. So in this age believers in God are receiving the new message of world unity from Baha’u’llah that couldn’t be told before because it would not have been understood without modern day inventions.

    The world has evolved and progressed systematically from the family to tribe, then city-state, nation and now on the verge of world civilisation. All along the way we’ve had the Prophets teaching us how to be as individuals, as groups and nations and now as a world.

    Each Prophet is given authority to establish laws which are in the best interests of the people and age in which He appears. This changes with time. So then the subsequent Prophet will change or abolish laws as He sees fit that will be conducive for His age.
     
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    I was a very devout Catholic for a few years. I made the decision to convert when I was 16 and went through the process of RCIA and was baptized and confirmed at Easter Vigil 2007. I was a member of my Diocesan Youth Council, went to the National Catholic Youth Conference, went on a mission trip and almost joined a religious order. So I did believe strongly in the Christian god at one point.

    But I've come to the conclusion that the Christian god is a spiritual parasite of sorts. Especially in Western Christianity (Catholicism and its nasty Protestant offshoots). This entity obviously (from experience) seems to love human suffering, especially through guilt and shame. I ended up torturing myself spiritually and psychologically the more I tried to draw closer to this being. I hated my questions I had, my sexual aspects, books, films and music I loved (and myself for loving them). It crippled me. But I came to a point where I realized I didn't need this entity to protect me from anything. I could protect myself from malevolent spirits. What this entity wanted from me was unquestioned love above anything and everyone in my life. I tried to go along with that but ended up rejecting Jesus' teachings as inane and unrealistic. Psychologically harmful.

    So I reconnected with my more rebellious, Left-Hand Path side. I looked into more LHP currents of Hinduism, for example. That keep leading me back to the Indian Goddess, Kali. This was around when my mom was dying of pancreatic cancer and I had to go through it by myself with no family or friends to help me. But I had experiences with Kali that showed me that she was there and, instead of a simplistic notion of "love", it was understanding and liberation she gave me. There was no notion of "sin" or repentance...just mindfulness and a feeling of connection to the vast Cosmos.

    During that time, no one from church helped me and I was actually turned away when I wanted to take Communion with my mom (which would've been the last time before she died). So Christ's followers weren't with me then.

    Anyway, to cut things short, I read a lot about the Islamic view of God and a friend introduced me to the Jewish view of God. What I got from that is that they have views that are very similar to the Hindu view of Brahman being the Ultimate Reality, rather than an anthropomorphic deity that has human-like needs for love and places all these moralistic demands on us.

    I eventually gravitated towards Germanic polytheism and my LHP beliefs but I still retain a belief in a Supreme Being/Ultimate Reality that is akin to my views of Kali. I find that Odin is very similar and just as intense as Kali is. He is not moralistic and it's more about being in harmony with the universal fabric of things, than following a bunch of arbitrary rules.
     
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    Just to add, one of my main disagreements with Abrahamic religions is their more linear view of time and history. Mine tends to be more cyclic or even spiral.
     
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    I'm not sure what you mean by "the real god" but in my view, there's not much reason to suppose otherwise. All forces that humans deify are "real gods" to those people and I find it kind of rude to say "no, your god is a fake god, so there!" It's not up to me, it's up to them and their cultural traditions. I don't control what other peoples deem worthy of worship or deify, nor should I.



    All of them?

    I get that some traditions within that spectrum are into exclusivism thing, but... well... that's not really my thing. They can go do their exclusivist thing and I'll be over here valuing human cultural diversity and appreciating it for all of it's awesomeness (including theirs), yeah?


    I obviously don't have an entry in this flower show, but... see above, I guess? I don't do exclusivism. Not for religion, not for culture more broadly, not for... it's just not my thing. My measure is still pretty much this: The wrong religion
     
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    Is the Abrahamic God the real god? Pretty sure that's not a meaningful question to begin with.

    Let me briefly clarify that a little. When you ask me if the apple on my desk is 'real', I have a procedure or method for determining whether or not it is.

    When you ask me whether a god is real, I don't.


    That's one point for folks to reflexively dismiss with an astutely choreographed knee-jerk. There are a zillion others.
     
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    I sure hope you mean start out critically examining the first one and then checking the others, as opposed to say simply accepting the first one then critically examining the others.

    If so this thread is a good place to start;
    How To Make a Believable Prophecy
     
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    If you want your questions answered by people, how do you know which answers are reliable and which ones not?

    I believe God gives people a sense of reality that reflects the contents of their own heart.

    In my view, which one of these four religions is the most truthful depends on the spirit of its followers, and especially those who have the authority to impose or cancel laws, traditions and/or dogmas. Just like people themselves these things can change over time and can also differ per location, as people from different locations can develop diverging cultures, even though it comes from the same source.
     
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    Is Superman the real superhero?

    Ciao

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    As a Baha'i, I believe they are all the truth because they were all revealed by the one true God.
    Baha'u'llah explained why religions are different in every age.

    “The Purpose of the one true God, exalted be His glory, in revealing Himself unto men is to lay bare those gems that lie hidden within the mine of their true and inmost selves. That the divers communions of the earth, and the manifold systems of religious belief, should never be allowed to foster the feelings of animosity among men, is, in this Day, of the essence of the Faith of God and His Religion. These principles and laws, these firmly-established and mighty systems, have proceeded from one Source, and are the rays of one Light. That they differ one from another is to be attributed to the varying requirements of the ages in which they were promulgated.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 287-288

    All of the religions contain the commandments from God, but logically speaking the rules that are correct to follow are the rules which were revealed for the age in which we live since those rules pertain to the age in which we live.
     
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    That sounds like a good plan but it would never work because there is no way that all people are going to apply logic the same way in making their determinations of which religions 'logically follow' from the first one. Thus I think it would turn into a battle of egos, each person insisting they were the logical one who is right.
     
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    Jesus was speaking to the Samaritan woman at the well (John 4) and the Samaritans had (at one time) their own temple built on the mountain they were at. Likewise, the Jews had their temple in Jerusalem on mt. Zion. She knew Jesus was Jewish so she tried to debate Jesus about which mountain was the right place to worship God.

    But Jesus told her that God would soon have the true worshipers to worship in a different way. Being filled with the Spirit of God and truth. They literally are made the temple of God.

    So how to tell which religion is true? Pay attention to what Jesus actually taught. He taught about the holy Spirit and how people need to receive it.
     
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