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Featured is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. danieldemol

    danieldemol Well-Known Member
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    Leaving off the first point was not cherry picking or creating a caricature in my opinion.

    Your suggested investigative method was essentially as follows in my opinion.
    1 read them (this can be done to any work)
    2. Check they go back to their source.
    3. Check they are internally consistent

    My point was that none of these prove divine authorship, for we can do all 3 things for works that are demonstrably not works of divine authorship.

    You then ask me if the things we agree are not scripture are scripture, then proceed to accuse me of attacking a caricature and knocking down strawmen, none of which I have done in my opinion
     
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  2. rational experiences

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    If I was just a new adult human and someone said the creator is one I would think about it.

    One planet.
    The one planet stone.

    Stone is named by a human and it has the word one in it.

    One heavenly mass.

    The one body is inside the heavens.

    Self human one self stands on the one planet. Inside one atmosphere.

    I can think as one self. The meaning.

    Who tells me,?

    Rationally. My own one self thinking.

    If Abraham was the first man scientist then he would have told himself about one concepts.

    If you can prove Abraham was the first man scientist then he was the first one self to impose concepts.

    Rationally.
     
  3. Conscious thoughts

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    Because i believe :) if i knew Allah existed it would be science not a belief:)
     
  4. firedragon

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    Nope. Its here. Again. And its not relevant to you. I say that again.

    1. Take their respective scriptures, and read them.
    2. Find out if the books go back to the source. (Source being the person who is claimed to be the prophet)
    3. Find out which book has manuscripts that go to the source or closest to the source (again, the prophet)
    4. Understand that these books are supposed to be scripture, thus respect them and analyse them for their internal coherence. Discrepancies would say "no no".
    5. Go to the source.

    You are writing your own strawman to argue with.
     
  5. danieldemol

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    It looks to me like you are trying to provide a litmus test for divine authorship, then getting stuck on labels.

    But it does not matter whether an apple is labelled an apple or not, the true litmus test for an apple should be able to determine if it is an apple whether we apply it to something which is an apple or something which is not an apple, (such as lets say a banana) in my opinion.

    Thus it is not important for the sake of the litmus test whether the item we are testing is labelled scripture or labelled anything else entirely - the litmus test should be able to determine whether any work is divinely authored or not regardless of its label in my opinion.

    I think your assertion that I am writing a strawman is not demonstrable in my opinion.
     
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  6. firedragon

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    Thanks for your opinion.

    Have a great day.
     
  7. Trailblazer

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    There different ways of knowing, and all are not provable... I cannot prove it but I know Allah exists, although I call Him God. :)
     
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  8. Muffled

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    I believe God is real for all of those religions but the relationships differ.

    I believe Christianity offers the best solution to laws because He is not a written law but a living and current law.
     
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  9. Muffled

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    I believe you have no evidence to support that view.

    I believe Jesus is the Truth as He said.
     
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    I believe that believing in a carved piece of wood or stone gets one nowhere and dead gods are just as useless. My God reigns.
     
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  11. Vinayaka

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    I believe the same. Clearly you don't understand Hinduism. But that's fine.
     
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  12. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    Maybe you should learn about Hinduism, its practices and beliefs before you disparage and speak on something of which you have no knowledge. Yes?
     
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  13. Trailblazer

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    God reigns, but God does not belong to any one religion. God is the God of all the religions.
     
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    I do not believe the laws of Christianity are current or that they have the solutions the world needs in this new age.
     
  15. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Ov Fire and the Void
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    Why should I bother with your questions when you call my deities "demons"? Buzz off.
     
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    I can see why you don't like the "Christian god" and those "arbitrary rules". It's your choice. Your life.
     
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    Since you stated that as a fact and not according to your opinion Trailblazer, where do I find that?
    Would it only be in Bahaullah's writings?
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Ov Fire and the Void
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    Many of us wish to be destroyed from existence, so what should anyone be afraid of from your god?
     
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    Oh brother. No, my words were not a threat. Sigh.
     
  20. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Ov Fire and the Void
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    I'm not threatened by you.
     
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