SeekingAllTruth
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NO!Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?
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NO!Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?
Why not?
Of all the Abrahamic religions, the scriptures of the Baha'i Faith are closest to the Source, since Baha'u'llah was the only Prophet who penned scriptures in His own hand, so if that is the criteria one is using to decide which Abrahamic religion is the truth, then you can do the math.
However, as you probably know, Baha'is do say we have the only true religion, just because we have the only authentic scriptures.
Yes. Also, there are many more. 33 million Gods.Is the Abrahamic God, the real God?
The List of the Tablets of Baha'u'llah and the dates He wrote the Tablets are in this wikipedia article:I think you cherry picked one point for your proselytisation.
Nevertheless, I dont mind looking at the dating of the manuscripts. So, please provide dating evidence. Either carbon 14 adding or/and palaeographic dating. No worries.
Peace.
Because all of the the Old Testament god's characteristics are human, proving he was created by a people as they envisioned how they wanted their god to be.Why not?
Harry potter and lord of the rings go back to their source and are internally consistent.1. Take their respective scriptures, and read them.
2. Find out if the books go back to the source. (Source being the person who is claimed to be the prophet)
3. Find out which book has manuscripts that go to the source or closest to the source (again, the prophet)
4. Understand that these books are supposed to be scripture, thus respect them and analyse them for their internal coherence. Discrepancies would say "no no".
5. Go to the source.
Cheers.
As I think I told you on another thread a while back, I cannot imagine why anyone would believe that the anthropomorphic God that was depicted in the Old Testament represents the one true God of Abraham. I would not believe in the Abrahamic God either if I believed that He was the god represented in that book.Because all of the the Old Testament god's characteristics are human, proving he was created by a people as they envisioned how they wanted their god to be.
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”--Dawkins
A real God could not possibly possess all these negative characteristics.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha'is all have different laws they believe God wants them to follow.
The claims of the 'believers' in these religions are mutually exclusive because all of the Abrahamic religions aside from the Baha'i Faith has believers who believe they are the one true religion, the last religion to be revealed and the best religion. However, what people 'believe' is not necessarily what was revealed in their scriptures.Is there an alternative to this scenario: if the claims of the 4 groups are mutually exclusive, then logically there can only be two options: one of them is true and the others are false, or they are all false?
I believe there is an Abrahamic God, but that He was misrepresented in the Old Testament, made into a human god. However, that is NOT the God's fault, because He did not write that book.
I also see two different Gods in the Bible, one in the Old Testament and one in the New Testament, and since the God of Christianity, Islam, and the Baha'i Faith is a loving and merciful God, and God is immutable, that tells me that the Old Testament is not an accurate representation of the one true God. I consider this a serious problem and one reason it is serious is that it is one reason why many people don't believe in God.A question I've always had is that afaik Jews also consider God to be loving, compassionate, and merciful... how do they reconcile that with the God of the Old Testament and his warfare, jealousy, punishments. I see two distinctly different Gods in the Bible.
There is no need for carbon 14 adding or/and palaeographic dating because the Tablets of Baha'u'llah were written in modern times, ranging from 1852 to 1891 AD.
Harry potter and lord of the rings go back to their source and are internally consistent.
I think you have not even bothered if that is the extent of your investigation.
Nope they are not scripture, they are fiction, just like the stories in the Quran of mythical figures like Adam, Noah etcHaha. So tell me, are they scripture?
Now obviously you would retort with "some one might take it as scripture". Many do that for the sake of just arguing.
But that's not the question.
Nope they are not scripture, they are fiction, just like the stories in the Quran of mythical figures like Adam, Noah etc
1. No one, that is a strawman that you raised, not me.Nice. So I was addressing "scripture".
1. So who claimed Harry Potter is scripture?
2. What evidence do you have that Adam and Noah were fiction?
My understanding is that Allah is the only God a muslim should follow.But doesn't Islam teach that there is only one true God?
Since you cannot see Allah, how would you know Allah even exists?My understanding is that Allah is the only God a muslim should follow.
If we mix in belief from others it is not islam.
But since i can not see Allah, how would i know if there is or isn't other Gods out there
1. No one, that is a strawman that you raised, not me.