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Featured is the Abrahamic God, the real God?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Conscious thoughts

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    Even as a muslim i would not claim to Know if Allah is truly the only God out there.

    Thereby i can not claim islam to be the only true religious teaching
     
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    @Sunstone answered that best.
    You can't and your co-believers aren't interested in that question. Nobody in the Abrahamic religions is going to help you with that question.
    How do I know?
    Just look at them. Is there any effort to reconcile the hundred thousand sects of Abrahamism? The only thing that happens from time to time is that someone comes and says how beautiful it would be to be united - and founds just another sect. (Whose members will eventually go to war with the rest of the mishpokhe.)
     
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  3. stvdv

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    Can be easily solved ... pray to just "God". Don't add all kind of mentally fantasized attributes by others (or yourself) to Him
     
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    People who see different Gods, forget that the main word is GOD

    All the other words describe just the attributes, that the people created

    Knowing that people make mistakes, don't impose these mistakes on God
     
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  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Which makes Abrahamics around 99.9996 % atheist?
     
  6. ChristineM

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    As an atheist i would say no gods are real. However, to the believer the god(s) they believe are as real as the imagination can get.
     
  7. ChristineM

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    Not the first but the real superhero to his devotees
     
  8. Unveiled Artist

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    Is it possible to follow a religion and consider without depending on the followers (and answers on RF) to confirm it?
     
  9. Hawkins

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    It is all about how a truth shall convey to humans.

    If aliens are true and they are far more advanced however decided to hide from humans, then how do you know that aliens are true?

    The one and only way is through those who happened to have encountered the aliens, there's no other way round. The nature of a historical encounter on the other hand is that, mostly likely you need faith to believe or reject.

    The Bible is written on behalf of those who claimed to have encountered God. There are tens of them in the different period of time of history all portraying a God with the same set of characteristics. These eyewitnesses are called the prophets for a reason. Humans don't have the ability to tell a future. These eyewitnesses are reckoned by the Jews (God's chosen people) as from God because they have the ability to tell a future.

    So the nature of such a truth is that, 1) you need faith in order to reach, and 2) it can only be from encounterers, there's no other way round.
     
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  10. Gargovic Malkav

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    I worship and believe in the One I see as the Source of Everything as a result of experience and faith. Label me as you see fit.
    I believe so.

    Abraham didn't rely on followers of a religion in order to find the One he calls God.
    Later he was also blessed by Melchizedek, who was described as a priest of the Most High God.
    Melchizedek wasn't part of Abraham's tribe/followers, and yet they seemed to acknowledge each other's piousness instead of trying to discredit it.

    This is based on scriptural narratives though, so it may not mean as much to you as it means to me.
     
  11. Quintessence

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    Of course it is. Non-dogmatic, non-creedal religions, and especially mystery religions that are fundamentally experiential, work this way as a matter of course. Even in the absence of that, any human can think for themselves and make up their own minds about anything. When doing that, they will never escape the influence of their environment (including the culture of their upbringing) so in that sense there is always dependence (whether following a religion or not) but beyond that? Seeking external validation is not, strictly speaking, necessary for anything in life that is a personal affair.
     
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    I think it is wrong to claim there is many Abrahams religions. If Christians are disciples of Jesus and follow his teachings, the law is the same as God of Abraham has, because:

    Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished. Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
    Mat. 5:17-19

    And interestingly, Quran says:

    … The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah …. …believe in Allah and His messengers. …
    Surat An-Nisā' 4:171
    Surah An-Nisa - 4:171

    But, probably you can’t know. I have chosen to believe Jesus, because I think his message is good and right and also the same as in OT.
     
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    Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.
    Can I trouble you with a few questions?

    1. You determined that the Christian God is the way you concluded, based on one group! Is that not the same as someone joining Jim Jones' movement, and coming away with the conclusion that believing in and following Jesus is evil?

    2. Is it possible that wanting to do the things you like takes president over what someone in authority may require of you... so that you would prefer someone - anyone - who accepts the things you like?
    Sort of like... I like to grow my hair long. I like to wear skirts that barely cover my buttocks... So if Jack does not like that, then 'Bye Jack. Go suck a lemon."?

    3. I have no doubt that Kali is indeed a real demon, but what makes you believe that Kali has anyone's best interest at heart? Why choose 'her' over the real Christian God Jehovah, who for many - have their best interest at heart?
    What's difference do you see between the two?

    4. "No one from church helped", is a common expression, among many. however, don't we hear things like that in other organizations?
    For example, we may hear a person say, "No one in Business X helped, so I switched to Business Y, and the experience was amazing! Not only were they always looking to help, but they went further!"
    The person did not write off all businesses of that particular system. So why do you think the experience at one "Christian church", is good cause to write off all?

    Can you give an example of at least three out of "a bunch of arbitrary rules" you refered to... if you don't mind?
     
  14. firedragon

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    1. Take their respective scriptures, and read them.
    2. Find out if the books go back to the source. (Source being the person who is claimed to be the prophet)
    3. Find out which book has manuscripts that go to the source or closest to the source (again, the prophet)
    4. Understand that these books are supposed to be scripture, thus respect them and analyse them for their internal coherence. Discrepancies would say "no no".
    5. Go to the source.

    Cheers.
     
  15. Jainarayan

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    For Abrahamics he is. For me as a Hindu, just as Vishnu is my view of God, the Abrahamic God is another facet or view of "God". As far as I'm concerned there is only one God, seen in a multitude of ways. Or I daresay he's another deity if one is inclined towards polytheism. And while I believe he exists, if he is indeed God, he's not one of the deities that exist whom I worship. The way one wishes to see God, so he appears (paraphrasing Sri Ramakrishna Paramhansa).

    That's the dilemma one runs into when scriptures claim to be, or are believed to be the absolute truth, with no room for others or other interpretations. Hinduism, for example, doesn't insist that only one scripture is the only truth or supreme. Why? Because we understand that we can't possibly know or comprehend the entire Truth, nor can it be encapsulated into one book. These books speak to different peoples at different times and in different places for different purposes.
     
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    Jesus was addressing His followers, because they were the only ones He could address since they were the only ones there. Then after Jesus, Muhammad and Baha'u'llah appeared and established new religions.

    Muslims and Baha'is believe in the same God as Christians believe in and we also believe in Jesus.
    So why would only Christians be filled with the Holy Spirit?
     
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    Of all the Abrahamic religions, the scriptures of the Baha'i Faith are closest to the Source, since Baha'u'llah was the only Prophet who penned scriptures in His own hand, so if that is the criteria one is using to decide which Abrahamic religion is the truth, then you can do the math.

    However, as you probably know, Baha'is do say we have the only true religion, just because we have the only authentic scriptures.
     
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    But doesn't Islam teach that there is only one true God?
     
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    The scripture says the full soul loathes the honeycomb but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet. (Proverbs 27:7)

    Those who are already full of their own food/drink won't seek to be filled by the bread and drink of Jesus Christ. Because they have no desire. But it doesn't have to be that way for anyone. (Matthew 5:6) However, this is why it's so hard for religious people to be filled with the Spirit. But they can be by the grace and power of God.

    Even many "Christians" are not filled with the holy Spirit. God doesn't care who you are or where you come from.

    And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Rev 22:17)
     
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    Not the one from the alternate reality from Injustice.
     
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