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Or is the universe created apart from god?
Or is the universe created apart from god?
Yes, the panentheist God is outside of the measurable existence at least with any instruments we've developed. Get a background noise from something that's always omnipresent... not simple.As I understand the words, pantheism says that everything that exists is God
whereas panentheism says that God is outside existence, i.e created existence.
That's what the words seem to say, at least. Yet the panentheistic God is both everywhere and "nowhere". I doubt it makes much sense to other types of theists or atheists.If God does exist outside existence, that would mean God doesn't exist.
Yes, the panentheist God is outside of the measurable existence at least with any instruments we've developed. Get a background noise from something that's always omnipresent... not simple.
Perhaps AI, development in big data and machine learning can prove otherwise but so far it's not where I'd pin my hopes on it.
That's what the words seem to say, at least. Yet the panentheistic God is both everywhere and "nowhere". I doubt it makes much sense to other types of theists or atheists.
As I understand the words, pantheism says that everything that exists is God
whereas
panentheism says that God is outside existence, i.e created existence.
If God does exist outside existence, that would mean God doesn't exist.
A good bridge between theists and atheists.
i understand it as god transcends creation, or created/formed things.thus god is mutable, an action, and formless. all forms arise from it but that which arises takes it's antecedent too.As I understand the words, pantheism says that everything that exists is God
whereas
panentheism says that God is outside existence, i.e created existence.
If God does exist outside existence, that would mean God doesn't exist.
A good bridge between theists and atheists.
IMO, it's impossible to know the answer, so why should I attempt an answer?
i understand it as god transcends creation, or created/formed things.thus god is mutable, an action, and formless. all forms arise from it but that which arises takes it's antecedent too.
Very similar to the first sentence in @Jainarayan 's post above(#10).
something can't be immanent and outside.
I have a copyright on "I don't know", so any use of that terminology without written authorization from me will be met with a lawsuit that'll sue one's butt off.it reflects how the self recognized god.
is god absent? present? present where?
is god a collective consciousness, swarm intelligence? or is it at odds with it's creation? is it self-realizing? aware of self, or otherness? if otherness then it superior to this otherness? or is this otherness equal to it? can this otherness overcome, control, that which is separate from self?
One of the few versions of the 'God' concept that makes sense to me is the one that identifies God as either nature, the laws of nature, or the dynamics of nature.
Listen up, this is as simple as it gets:
Water is outside that which it permeates and wets.
Jainarayan is quite mystical when he takes his percocets.
thank you
the water permeates the form and yet the water itself is formless and still surrounds the form.