iPhone is satanic product without internet not usable

[Evangelicalhumanist]

In case you hadn't noticed...'the whole world' is satan's "company"...everything in it serves his interests. Corrupt politics...greedy commercialism....and false religion. He rules the lot.

"We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one." (1 John 5:19)

Which does rather point to a significant weakness on the part of God, who is apparently helpless to stop it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Are we talking about price? If so, I agree iPhone is a totally Satanic product. Not otherwise, though.

 

[Trailblazer]

Which does rather point to a significant weakness on the part of God, who is apparently helpless to stop it.

God is not helpless to stop it, God just chooses not to interfere with free will.

 

[Deeje]

Which does rather point to a significant weakness on the part of God, who is apparently helpless to stop it.

Why do you believe that he is "helpless to stop it"? He gave the devil free reign to prove that he is the world's better ruler...he was chosen by our first parents...a bit like parents choosing their President who turns out to be a bold faced liar and an abject failure to deliver what he promised. How do you find out that he is a bold faced liar...you let him run a country into the ground and then you say...."see this what you chose and this is the result for you and your children".

God will being it all to an end, but not before every avenue of the devil's attempts at world domination have failed. Only then will God be able to show how futile life on this planet is without him.

God's Kingdom is his replacement for all the failed attempts at human governance apart from him. We are seeing the death of democracy right now and there is only one last form of rulership left according to Bible prophesy.....the "one world government" that the Bible predicts will lead the human race into the greatest tribulation it has ever seen....(Matthew 24:21)

God's Kingdom is 'coming', ready or not. Those who support it have already demonstrated their love for God and his Christ, and have obeyed his commandments.....those who haven't will not have a hope unless they come to God before he closes the door of opportunity.

That is how I see it....

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

God is not helpless to stop it, God just chooses not to interfere with free will.

But @Deeje said that Satan was in complete control. Therefore, we humans have no free will at all, and God is simply deferring to Satan's free will. Thus,we're not only helpless, but condemned for being so.

Nice set up for Satan, not so cool for us.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

That is how I see it....

Yes, I suppose it is "how you see it." I try to throw in a little bit of reason, just to see if it changes things...and you know, for me, it alters things totally. For the better.

 

[Trailblazer]

But @Deeje said that Satan was in complete control. Therefore, we humans have no free will at all, and God is simply deferring to Satan's free will. Thus,we're not only helpless, but condemned for being so.

Nice set up for Satan, not so cool for us.

Baha'is do not believe in a "being" called Satan. We consider that to be mere superstition. Rather, we believe that satan as it is referenced in the Bible refers to our lower material nature, which is our sinful nature, our satanic self. When that nature is in charge we do bad things, even evil things. But we also have a higher spiritual nature which is purely good, and when that nature is in charge we do noble things.

Because we have free will we can choose to act in accordance with our higher nature or our lower nature.

We can see these two natures of man being played out during this pandemic. We see some people exercising their lower selfish nature by not following the social distancing guidelines and hoarding goods they do not need, not caring if other people need them, but we also see other people exercising their higher spiritual nature by helping others in need, even making untold sacrifices, like the health care workers risking their own lives to save other people.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Baha'is do not believe in a "being" called Satan. We consider that to be mere superstition. Rather, we believe that satan as it is referenced in the Bible refers to our lower material nature, which is our sinful nature, our satanic self. When that nature is in charge we do bad things, even evil things. But we also have a higher spiritual nature which is purely good, and when that nature is in charge we do noble things.

Because we have free will we can choose to act in accordance with our higher nature or our lower nature.

We can see these two natures of man being played out during this pandemic. We see some people exercising their lower selfish nature by not following the social distancing guidelines and hoarding goods they do not need, not caring if other people need them, but we also see other people exercising their higher spiritual nature by helping others in need, even making untold sacrifices, like the health care workers risking their own lives to save other people.

Okay, but all of that -- every bit of it -- is basically unsupported by anything known to those who make an actual study of human nature. And because we are a creature of nature, that ought to be an important study. Sadly, religious people aren't much interested in that, preferring, I suppose, broad, unsupported statements that paint a simple but clear picture.

Unfortunately, I've always found the "picture" of human nature painted by religious thinking to be more stick figure than nuanced art form.

Many great authors have addressed the topic of human nature. I always point to David Hume and Edward O. Wilson, but we ought not forget Roger Scruton, either.

Or, for those who prefer a writer with a religious background, try reading "Why Can't We Be Good" by Jacob Needleman...or "Can We Be Good Without God" by my own (deceased) friend Dr. Robert Buckman...both are excellent.

Or take a more interesting tour by reading Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's Travels," or "Candide" by Voltaire. Lots of twists and turns in the human story in those!

I'm sorry, but religion too often offers up simplistic and not very useful nostrums. If you are looking for deeper insights, read the things I've suggested.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Just want to add, for @Trailblazer and @Deeje that I see human nature as a complex mixture of subjects and objects, purpose and means, minds and bodies, conceivers and perceivers, rationalists and existentialists. We are, in sum, far too complex to be reduced to the comic book figures that religion likes to make us.

 

[Trailblazer]

Okay, but all of that -- every bit of it -- is basically unsupported by anything known to those who make an actual study of human nature. And because we are a creature of nature, that ought to be an important study. Sadly, religious people aren't much interested in that, preferring, I suppose, broad, unsupported statements that paint a simple but clear picture.

I was trying to explain what Baha'is believe about satan as referenced in the Bible but I kind of went off on a tangent.

I am not only interested in religion, I am also interested in psychology, and I have studied a lot more psychology than religion.

So in a nutshell, what do you think human nature is according to the references you cited, and how is it different from what I posted, which is from a religious viewpoint.

 

[Tiberius]

I realize it is essential for most people, but I operate primarily through my laptop, since I am sheltered in place most of the time even when not ordered to do so. When I am out, I only rarely have a need to talk to people on a phone.

You know a phone does a lot more than that these days.

Here are some things that I have done with my phone that do not involve communicating with another person and could not have been feasibly done with a laptop:

1. Checking the real time location of busses and trains on a public transport app.
2. Paying for items via eftpos using Google Pay
3. Purchasing tickets online while standing out the front of a venue because buying tickets online is cheaper than buying them at the venue.
4. Getting live navigation directions when driving to places in unfamiliar territory.
5. Reading QR codes to get web addresses and other information.
6. Checking movie ratings on IMDb while in store to see if a blu ray is worth buying.
7. Taking photographs.
8. Quickly creating and altering appointments in my calendar as soon as those appointments are made/altered.
9. Reading ebooks while travelling on packed public transport.
10. Quick real time translation of other languages using Google Translate.
11. Finding the cheapest petrol nearby.
12. I use my phone as a dash cam.
13. I use my phone as a flashlight.
14. Controlling smart lights.
15. Image search using Google Lens.
16. Speedometer.

 

[Trailblazer]

Just want to add, for @Trailblazer and @Deeje that I see human nature as a complex mixture of subjects and objects, purpose and means, minds and bodies, conceivers and perceivers, rationalists and existentialists. We are, in sum, far too complex to be reduced to the comic book figures that religion likes to make us.

But of course human nature is much more complex than good and evil, spiritual and material. Moreover nobody belongs in only one of those categories, as we change all the time so we are a mixture of qualities and behaviors.

 

[Trailblazer]

You know a phone does a lot more than that these days.

Here are some things that I have done with my phone that do not involve communicating with another person and could not have been feasibly done with a laptop:

1. Checking the real time location of busses and trains on a public transport app.
2. Paying for items via eftpos using Google Pay
3. Purchasing tickets online while standing out the front of a venue because buying tickets online is cheaper than buying them at the venue.
4. Getting live navigation directions when driving to places in unfamiliar territory.
5. Reading QR codes to get web addresses and other information.
6. Checking movie ratings on IMDb while in store to see if a blu ray is worth buying.
7. Taking photographs.
8. Quickly creating and altering appointments in my calendar as soon as those appointments are made/altered.
9. Reading ebooks while travelling on packed public transport.
10. Quick real time translation of other languages using Google Translate.
11. Finding the cheapest petrol nearby.
12. I use my phone as a dash cam.
13. I use my phone as a flashlight.
14. Controlling smart lights.
15. Image search using Google Lens.
16. Speedometer.

Yes, I know that smart phones can be used for all those things and many more, but I do not need any of those functions. I lead a very simple life and I do not buy anything except what I need, like food and gas and pet supplies. I do not even travel anywhere except to work and the grocery store, so I am home the remainder of the time and I can do whatever I need to do on my laptop.

By most standards my life is pretty boring, but I am never bored because I have people on forums to talk to and I have 10 beautiful cats, and a husband. Although he is off to himself most of the time he is there if I need him. I also have three houses with tenants in two of them, so life is already complicated enough without having to figure out new technology.

 

[Tiberius]

@Trailblazer, did you have a response planned for my post?

 

[Trailblazer]

@Trailblazer, did you have a response planned for my post?

Sorry, I am going blurry-eyed from working all day at home so I messed that post up. After I realized that I fixed it as you can see.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I was trying to explain what Baha'is believe about satan as referenced in the Bible but I kind of went off on a tangent.

I am not only interested in religion, I am also interested in psychology, and I have studied a lot more psychology than religion.

So in a nutshell, what do you think human nature is according to the references you cited, and how is it different from what I posted, which is from a religious viewpoint.

This will take me a little longer than a quick post. I will answer, because it's a good question, but please give me a day or so, okay?

 

[Trailblazer]

This will take me a little longer than a quick post. I will answer, because it's a good question, but please give me a day or so, okay?

Take however long you need. I am inundated with posts I have to answer but I am not going anywhere, except one quick trip to the grocery store.

 

[Milton Platt]

It's 100% confirmed.



Apple has always been a Satanic company.



The iPhones never belong to the user, it doesn't matter how much money you paid for them. iPhone and other Apple products were created to keep you as a slave.



Apple products e.g. the iPhone (since it exists) cannot be set up and used locally without an internet connection.

If you don't like them, you don't have to use them. There, done!

 

[Deeje]

Just want to add, for @Trailblazer and @Deeje that I see human nature as a complex mixture of subjects and objects, purpose and means, minds and bodies, conceivers and perceivers, rationalists and existentialists. We are, in sum, far too complex to be reduced to the comic book figures that religion likes to make us.

You do realize that this also means that we are way too complex to be accidents of nature.....We alone need purpose.....we need education.....we have an innate need for spirituality....as our history confirms. Other life forms need none of that as instinct guides them in their survival methods. Instinct is programming....what program needs no programmer?

Those of the animal kingdom have no purpose beyond today because they have no concept of the future...it's all about living in the present, even though that can be influenced by past experience. Their basic needs are met in simple fashion....eat...sleep...reproduce....survive. If they are designed to live in family groups, then they usually support the preservation of the family. If they are designed to be solitary creatures, then their life will reflect a keen interest in self preservation.

No other creature on earth has a need to worship a higher power....but humans have always had a sense of a greater Being to whom they must give regard in some form or another. The practice of some kind of religion is not co-incidental as it is found in practically every culture on earth.

We are a reflection of our Maker because we were supposed to be the caretakers of his creation.....but we have failed miserably in that assignment. Thankfully, all is not lost because the Creator has a purpose for his handiwork and we can be a part of it if we want to.....if we don't want to be a part of God's plans for the future, then we will not have a future. That is the Bible's message.....

What God is offering is what we all crave in the deepest recesses of our soul.....to live in peace and security with our loved ones forever in beautiful surroundings....never having to experience sickness, suffering or death. Having fellow humans who care about others, not just themselves. Doing all things for the common good. If we want that, then this is what God is offering to all in exchange for our loyalty and love despite attempts by his adversary to paint him in the worst possible light. If we can see through the hateful propaganda we will find a most generous and loving Creator....not the fiend painted by Christendom who tortures souls forever in a hell of flames, but a Father who loves us and wants the best for us. Giving us free will means that we have to choose to obey God because we respect his wisdom and sovereignty over us. Sadly, many people today have lost their spirituality.

I am looking beyond the horrors of today to a much brighter tomorrow......its not a case of "if" for me....but "when". I believe it will be soon.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

It's 100% confirmed.

Well I'm convinced...