If you see a miracle, will you then believe?

[Yerda]

If someone came to you and told you that God exists and you should follow
some instructions in order to be safe in the afterlife, and if it happened that you
asked him for a proof for God's existence and he showed you one such as
healing a blind man and letting him to see.

Will you believe that God exists if you know that the miracle was real or you'll still disbelieve?

I don't know how I would react if I witnessed a miracle but it would certainly get my attention.

 

[halbhh]

I don't know how I would react if I witnessed a miracle but it would certainly get my attention.

That's a very short summary of my own post just above.

 

[FearGod]

If someone comes to you and performs a real miracle and cure a blind, but tells you, this is my own power, there is no God, and Quran is a false book, would you believe him, if the miracle is real?
The same with you example. Suppose the miracle was real, but it was not really God who did it, but the person had some special power to do the miracle, but falsely claiming it was God who did it. How do you know this is not possible?

A believer (me in your assumption) I am not asking for a proof to confirm that God exists
but it's usually the atheists looking for a proof that God exists, if not a miracle then what
kind of proof they're looking for?

 

[halbhh]

What God? There are so many.

ciao

- viole

heh heh The only one, even if there are "1,000 faces" as some thinkers have written it. Many sides of the same thing, if you prefer. It makes sense of course that many attempts to put a face on the ineffable would result in various appearances, as that ineffable might not chose to be captured or reduced so easily, might have other plans and such.

 

[viole]

heh heh The only one, even if there are "1,000 faces" as some thinkers have written it. Many sides of the same thing, if you prefer. It makes sense of course that many attempts to put a face on the ineffable would result in various appearances, as that ineffable might not chose to be captured or reduced so easily, might have other plans and such.

You mean the God who orders humans should be divided in castes at birth, or the god that says all humans are equal at birth?

Is classifying humans vs. not classifying them, just a different face of the same god?

ciao

- viole

 

[FearGod]

No, but I can see a straw man.

My point was that your 'all powerful' God didn't (or couldn't) show himself to provide evidence that he performed the miracle. Stop misrepresenting my argument with pointless questions.

And I said you don't need to see the electromagnetic waves to notice its power.

 

[FearGod]

No, it is not enough to show this miracle. But, if I investigate about this person, and found that he is a righteous and upright person, has wisdom above regular human, and has great teachings for betterment, and is also willing to sacrifice his own life for humanity, then I believe him. But if someone just shows miracles, and is not righteous and does not have good teachings, then I don't believe him.

Many persons may look righteous and they're evils, in all faiths you'll find
righteous people doing bad things such as raping, child abuse ....etc

 

[columbus]

he showed you one such as
healing a blind man and letting him to see.

This happens all the time.
Don't you ever watch Benny Hinn's TV show?
Tom

 

[SalixIncendium]

And I said you don't need to see the electromagnetic waves to notice its power.

Yeah, you see? That really has nothing to do with the topic. Why are you trying to derail your own thread with discussion about types of energy not visible to the naked eye?

Let's pick this up again when electromagnetic waves start performing miracles.

 

[FearGod]

This happens all the time.
Don't you ever watch Benny Hinn's TV show?
Tom

My assumption that you know for sure it was a miracle, not a show.
BTW, Do you really believe Binny Hinn?

 

[Altfish]

Miracles don't have scientific explanations, if you saw the miracle yourself
then why you need to ask the others about it?

Because I don't believe in miracles, everything has an explanation.

 

[FearGod]

Yeah, you see? That really has nothing to do with the topic. Why are you trying to derail your own thread with discussion about types of energy not visible to the naked eye?

Let's pick this up again when electromagnetic waves start performing miracles.

These were your words

No, such a miracle would prove nothing to me unless your God himself came to me with the blind man, introduced himself as FearGod’s God

 

[SalixIncendium]

These were your words

I'm just confused at this point. Electromagnetic waves are your God?

 

[FearGod]

Because I don't believe in miracles, everything has an explanation.

Then explain what was before the big bang?

 

[PureX]

Because I don't believe in miracles, everything has an explanation.

Even if something does not have an explanation, that still wouldn't mean the explanation is "God". It just means there is no discernible explanation.

I understand that "God" is the 'great mystery of being'. And that as such we rightly attribute the unknown and unknowable to this great mystery. But I think we need to be careful not to then turn around and pretend to ourselves that we have resolved the mystery simply because we've labeled it "God". Attributing a mystery (miracle) to God resolves nothing. Tells us nothing. The mystery remains.

 

[FearGod]

I'm just confused at this point. Electromagnetic waves are your God?

I didn't say that, but God is unseen, the angels as well are unseen and we know
that angels are kind of light.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If someone came to you and told you that God exists and you should follow
some instructions in order to be safe in the afterlife, and if it happened that you
asked him for a proof for God's existence and he showed you one such as
healing a blind man and letting him to see.

Will you believe that God exists if you know that the miracle was real or you'll still disbelieve?

Can you step us through the thought process that would get you from "a blind person has been healed" to "so God must exist?"

 

[Twilight Hue]

If someone came to you and told you that God exists and you should follow
some instructions in order to be safe in the afterlife, and if it happened that you
asked him for a proof for God's existence and he showed you one such as
healing a blind man and letting him to see.

Will you believe that God exists if you know that the miracle was real or you'll still disbelieve?

I've had miracles for sure. I concider it rare and valuable gifts of the universe. I dont see it as proof or evidence of any specific God though in light that all theology is sourced to humans alone and nowhere else. God in the conventional sense of the term just isn't there.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Atheists used to ask for approval that God exists, what kind of approval
that may works other than showing a miracle?

If God has as at least as much effect on our lives as, say, the Moon, I would expect a similar amount and type of evidence for God as we have for the Moon.

 

[FearGod]

Can you step us through the thought process that would get you from "a blind person has been healed" to "so God must exist?"

My assumption that he's healed by no method, by no medicine, by unseen power,
if not the power of the creator then which kind of power that can heal a blind person?