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Featured I know god doesn't exist?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Windmills of your mind

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    Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
    Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

    If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

    Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.
     
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  2. Trailblazer

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    Only if I am allowed to say ' I ' know God does exist.

    Is that the same as claiming that He does exist as fact rather than a belief?
     
  3. 74x12

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    People can say whatever they like; but it's just silly.
     
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  4. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Well, if we are allowed to say, "I know that my redeemer liveth" (Bible and beautiful music in Handel's Messiah), why should we not be able to say "I know god doesn't exist?" Since we are all human, every claim to knowledge is tainted with our inherent imperfection, and thus always represents nothing more than a belief statement. And belief statements are permissible.
     
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  5. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    I know if I say God dosent exist, I'm going to win every single time because non existent gods are never ever going to do anything.
     
  6. Trailblazer

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    The existent God does not do anything either, nothing we can see, so we are even Steven. :D
     
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    It is as easy for me to say "I know God doesn't exist for me" as "I know God does exist for me".

    We choose what is true for ourselves. We don't choose what is true for someone else.
     
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    I hope I understand your post — maybe not — but the important words in this phrase, to me, are “I know”.....

    It would be much more acceptable, and realistic, to say “I think god doesn’t exist.”

    (That would really be an agnostic’s POV.)

    If I’ve misunderstood, just ignore my post.

    Take care, my cousin.
     
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  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Non-existent Gods / Allahs can send you to non-existent hell for all eternity. Be careful.
    What is the use of an inactive God / Allah? Throw him out during this Christmas cleaning.
    'more acceptable', more acceptable to whom? Not to me. Why should I say "I think" when I am very definite about it. I am not an agnostic.
     
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  10. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Evidence that all Gods/Allahs include a Hell? Your bias is showing.
     
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    I don't believe god exists; but it is impossible to prove.

    But then proving Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc. don't exist is equally difficult.
     
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    Language is inherently imprecise. Which is why we should try to use it as precisely as we can, to avoid misunderstanding.

    Unfortunately, we often to not wish to avoid misunderstanding, but rather to generate it.
     
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  13. Erebus

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    You certainly can say "God doesn't exist" as a statement of fact rather than opinion.

    The problem here though is that there's no universal, unambiguous definition of God/gods. Any attempt to create such a definition will invariably be met with exceptions to the rule and with disagreements over the definition. In order to make a statement on how likely a deity is to exist, you need to have at least a rough idea of what you would accept as a deity. This part is a matter of opinion but can be used as a basis to make a statement of fact.

    One way to argue that there definitely isn't a God would go something like this:

    The only thing I would accept as God would be a being who wouldn't allow for the existence of suffering and has the power to prevent the existence of suffering in the first place. (This part is the statement of opinion)

    Since suffering exists, there can't be any such being. (This part is the statement of fact).
     
  14. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    It was not bias, you can say it was carelessness in writing. :)
    My own belief has no Gods, no heaven or hell.
    :)
     
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  15. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    Would you have the same quibble with someone saying, for instance, "I know my car is red?"
     
  16. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    What makes it silly?
     
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    Knowing G-d is just another dimension, one who says " ' I ' know G-d doesn't exist " just expresses one's ignorance of that dimension and lives in a state of "illusion", I understand. Right, please?

    Regards
     
  18. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    You say that all the time
     
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    " But then proving Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc. don't exist is equally difficult."

    I understand , isn't proving existence of "Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc." as futile and whimsical as proving Atheism? Right, please.
    G-d is Evident and needs no evidence, i envision. Right, please?

    Regards
     
  20. Altfish

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    No; there is at least as much evidence of The Loch Ness Monster as that of god. We know what the monster looks like, there have been photos, there are visitor centres. I have bought cuddly toys for my grandchildren.

    Compare with Harry Potter - there are many books, if you go to KIng's Cross Station you will see the platform that The Hogwarts' Express Leaves from. You can see the viaduct it crosses in Scotland, etc.
    What evidence is there for god, The Bible, Qu'ran, etc - all very old books when compared to the modern books about Harry Potter
     
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