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I know god doesn't exist?

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.
People can say whatever they like; but it's just silly.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.
Well, if we are allowed to say, "I know that my redeemer liveth" (Bible and beautiful music in Handel's Messiah), why should we not be able to say "I know god doesn't exist?" Since we are all human, every claim to knowledge is tainted with our inherent imperfection, and thus always represents nothing more than a belief statement. And belief statements are permissible.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.
I know if I say God dosent exist, I'm going to win every single time because non existent gods are never ever going to do anything.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
It is as easy for me to say "I know God doesn't exist for me" as "I know God does exist for me".

We choose what is true for ourselves. We don't choose what is true for someone else.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.
I hope I understand your post — maybe not — but the important words in this phrase, to me, are “I know”.....

It would be much more acceptable, and realistic, to say “I think god doesn’t exist.”

(That would really be an agnostic’s POV.)

If I’ve misunderstood, just ignore my post.

Take care, my cousin.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I know if I say God dosent exist, I'm going to win every single time because non existent gods are never ever going to do anything.
Non-existent Gods / Allahs can send you to non-existent hell for all eternity. Be careful.
The existent God does not do anything either, nothing we can see, so we are even Steven. :D
What is the use of an inactive God / Allah? Throw him out during this Christmas cleaning.
It would be much more acceptable, and realistic, to say “I think god doesn’t exist.”
(That would really be an agnostic’s POV.)
'more acceptable', more acceptable to whom? Not to me. Why should I say "I think" when I am very definite about it. I am not an agnostic.
 
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Altfish

Veteran Member
Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.
I don't believe god exists; but it is impossible to prove.

But then proving Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc. don't exist is equally difficult.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Language is inherently imprecise. Which is why we should try to use it as precisely as we can, to avoid misunderstanding.

Unfortunately, we often to not wish to avoid misunderstanding, but rather to generate it.
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.

You certainly can say "God doesn't exist" as a statement of fact rather than opinion.

The problem here though is that there's no universal, unambiguous definition of God/gods. Any attempt to create such a definition will invariably be met with exceptions to the rule and with disagreements over the definition. In order to make a statement on how likely a deity is to exist, you need to have at least a rough idea of what you would accept as a deity. This part is a matter of opinion but can be used as a basis to make a statement of fact.

One way to argue that there definitely isn't a God would go something like this:

The only thing I would accept as God would be a being who wouldn't allow for the existence of suffering and has the power to prevent the existence of suffering in the first place. (This part is the statement of opinion)

Since suffering exists, there can't be any such being. (This part is the statement of fact).
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I hope I understand your post — maybe not — but the important words in this phrase, to me, are “I know”.....

It would be much more acceptable, and realistic, to say “I think god doesn’t exist.”

(That would really be an agnostic’s POV.)

If I’ve misunderstood, just ignore my post.

Take care, my cousin.
Would you have the same quibble with someone saying, for instance, "I know my car is red?"
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Are we allowed to say ' I ' know god doesn't exist?
Is that the same as claiming that he does not as fact rather than opinion?

If I know god doesn't exists why would I (and anyone who knows god exists or doesn't exist) say it as an opinion if the word 'I' dictates what they say is a fact is only applicable to the person who said it?

Take as ye will. Knowledge versus opinion versus belief versus whatever the case may be.
Knowing G-d is just another dimension, one who says " ' I ' know G-d doesn't exist " just expresses one's ignorance of that dimension and lives in a state of "illusion", I understand. Right, please?

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I don't believe god exists; but it is impossible to prove.

But then proving Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc. don't exist is equally difficult.
" But then proving Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc. don't exist is equally difficult."

I understand , isn't proving existence of "Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc." as futile and whimsical as proving Atheism? Right, please.
G-d is Evident and needs no evidence, i envision. Right, please?

Regards
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
" But then proving Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc. don't exist is equally difficult."

I understand , isn't proving existence of "Leprechauns, fairies, Loch Ness Monster, etc." as futile and whimsical as proving Atheism? Right, please.
G-d is Evident and needs no evidence, i envision. Right, please?

Regards
No; there is at least as much evidence of The Loch Ness Monster as that of god. We know what the monster looks like, there have been photos, there are visitor centres. I have bought cuddly toys for my grandchildren.

Compare with Harry Potter - there are many books, if you go to KIng's Cross Station you will see the platform that The Hogwarts' Express Leaves from. You can see the viaduct it crosses in Scotland, etc.
What evidence is there for god, The Bible, Qu'ran, etc - all very old books when compared to the modern books about Harry Potter
 
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