Humans and Chimp, its True...

[Dirty Penguin]

as soon as you show me a chimp that can beat me at chess I'll take the THEORY of evolution more seriously

ha...haaaaa...!!!!!!

You made a funny.....

Would you believe the "THEORY"....If they could ice skate, roller skate, or do karate..?


Even if you did see this kind of stuff...It doesn't refute evolution. It doesn't even confirm it.......

 

[Gabethewiking]

as soon as you show me a chimp that can beat me at chess I'll take the THEORY of evolution more seriously

Eh, Chuckie, I do not know if you are serious but could you explain in a more detailed way why this would be evidence for Evolution?

 

[Autodidact]

So apparently, a Christian is someone who acts like a jerk and spouts off about things he knows nothing about? I think I'll avoid it. Good job, chuck.

 

[Gabethewiking]

So apparently, a Christian is someone who acts like a jerk and spouts off about things he knows nothing about? I think I'll avoid it. Good job, chuck.

Autodidact, I seen you mention Christians over and over Again in this and other threads, can you prove Christians exist? It seems to me it is just a word made up by people like you wanting to prevent the other side of the argument. If you can't (prove they exist) It seems you are just using fluffy clouds to try avoid the issue at hand.....

Chimp....

 

[McBell]

Autodidact, I seen you mention Christians over and over Again in this and other threads, can you prove Christians exist? It seems to me it is just a word made up by people like you wanting to prevent the other side of the argument. If you can't (prove they exist) It seems you are just using fluffy clouds to try avoid the issue at hand.....

Chimp....

um...

By the logic of some Christians, you have to prove they do not exist....

 

[Gabethewiking]

um...

By the logic of some Christians, you have to prove they do not exist....

.... Crap.....

Erh... Well... Chimps exist... And Humans exist, therefore Christians can not exit as Chimps and Humans share a common ancestor and Christianity says we are made specifically, uniquely, by God, and therefore, Christians can not exist...

Now, Pove Chritians to exist. .Else.. oh man this is getting confusing.

 

[dust1n]

um...

By the logic of some Christians, you have to prove they do not exist....

The truth behind that statement if more profound then it will be considered by others.

 

[McBell]

Now, Pove Chritians to exist. .Else.. oh man this is getting confusing.

1 Kings 5:18-12 clearly says that Christians exist.

As does Psalms 12:5, Revelation 3:1-8, and Judges 22:13.

 

[dust1n]

1 Kings 5:18-12 clearly says that Christians exist.

As does Psalms 12:5, Revelation 3:1-8, and Judges 22:13.

:clap

 

[Thief]

ha...haaaaa...!!!!!!

You made a funny.....

Would you believe the "THEORY"....If they could ice skate, roller skate, or do karate..?


Even if you did see this kind of stuff...It doesn't refute evolution. It doesn't even confirm it.......

I've seen a film of a chimp wearing a judo outfit and really kicking ***!!!
Coordination tricks seem to be their thing.

Just this morning I was watching some scientists do testing techniques to explore the way the animal thinks.
Turns out...they do some things far beyond human ability.
On sight they can then recall a random display of the numbers 1 through 9,
and then act on that recall.
We humans don't have that level of ability. They can imprint the image and respond in less than one second.

What they lack is the understanding of how things work, beyond the initial impression. They live in a world of the immediate.
They don't have extensive memory for language or elaborate problem solving.
(there are a few exceptions that have enough recall to work a response to short sentence groupings...with plenty of work to get there)

There is but a small percentage of dna difference between our chemistry and theirs.
If we fail as a species...they would be next in line.

 

[McBell]

:clap

Thank you.
Thank you very much.

 

[dust1n]

Thank you.
Thank you very much.

Haha, you should be a comedian Mest.

First gig; opening for Larry the Cable Guy.

 

[Gabethewiking]

1 Kings 5:18-12 clearly says that Christians exist.

As does Psalms 12:5, Revelation 3:1-8, and Judges 22:13.

But you base that on faith, not fact.
I do not care about some old dusty book, i want scientific fact about the existence of Christians else it is just your belief that they exist. Do you have any? Well?

Thought so. Your belief in Christians existing is your religion, not fact.

 

[Autodidact]

Wouldn't you first need to define the word "Christian"? Just sayin'

 

[Gabethewiking]

Wouldn't you first need to define the word "Christian"? Just sayin'

No, because if I/we do then you could pin something on me, it is better if we ignore the definition and then just continue, if you prove me wrong then I point to the fact that I have another definition of the word and the word you are using is wrong.. So there.. HAHA... ME win!!!!

So, I guess everyone here has given up, the Creationist ignore all responses explaining the facts to them, and all Educated people have explained everything 10 times over times 10 or so people and it goes round and round. They just ignore the facts, they do not want the facts..

They fear the facts. It is so sad, I wish some of them wanted to learn, I LOVE helping people, I do not know why, i just want to help and assist them as well as it makes ME more knowledgable and I learn more myself, both on how to explain things and read up on things I know nothing or little about... Oh well.

Any Lurker Creationist or Denier of Evolution, feel free to add something if you want, we gladly help out if anything is confusing about our Historical Fact of our own and others Evolution.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Okay, this is for the ones who do not understand
the way we define change and periods (Any Creationist
I guess). I apologize for poor graph, I suck at graphics,
but hope it will help.
Graph completely imaginary, it is just an
example to explain how we define things.

We start with an example with MAMMALIAN SPECIES
at ZERO (0). This is our starting point.
Then we have 7 intermediate steps before a
new definition exist. These 7 steps are none
existant and merely a way for us small brained
humans to cope with defining things and give
labels to it. At point Nr 8 we arrive to something
we define as "?" None Hominidae, this is a
species that does not belong to the same
family tree we define us as.
Then we continue to point 13 after additional
"steps" that once again does not exist, they
are a way for us humans to define and label
things. At number 13 we have another "?" None
Hominidae, so we continue to point 19 where
we finally get something we recognize. A Homo,
but it seems we still do not classify this as
a Human but rather just part of our Family
(Hominidae) so we continue a couple of more
intermediate none-steps and arrive at step
25, or is that none-step?
Here we have someting called Homo and we define
it as a Homo sapien sapien, a Human being. This
is once again, a label we put on it to identify
various species. If we then go on to the last step
32, we have Homo sapien sapien as well.
Now if you notice we have various Question marks
over some the none-marked steps (?), and this
is areas we have not defined or have any knowledge
about. If we take step, or that is, none-step 31,
the just before Homo sapien sapien and between
earlier Homo sapien sapien, we clearly got what
we define as a Human as well even if it is marked
as a Question (?) mark.
But what about step 19 to 25? Somewhere between
these none-steps we become Human... Or do we?
No, the truth is that, as said over and over again,
these steps are not steps, they are arbitrary
definitions for us Humans to label things. We
decided that we have a new species somewhere between
step 19 and 25, we went from what we defined as
none-human to Human even if you would never be
able to say when. It is constant change that you
cant and never will notice without stepping back
and look at the whole picture at the same time
as you would be forced to make an arbitrary choice
of when something is sufficiently different for
you to define it as something other then the previous
Species it was.

Science is hard and complicated, it demands alot
from you as a person. That you do not understand
something does not change its reality. And if you
deny something that the rest of the qualified world
tells you is true, it should make alarm bells ring,
this is not a huge conspiracy and no one is voting
for Evolution because they are against religion,
it is simple that it is a fact and this knowledge
has made the world a better place to live. Think
about that and feel free to ask any questions if
you truly have some you want the answer too.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Okay, this is for the ones who do not understand
the way we define change and periods (Any Creationist
I guess). I apologize for poor graph, I suck at graphics,
but hope it will help.
Graph completely imaginary, it is just an
example to explain how we define things.

We start with an example with MAMMALIAN SPECIES
at ZERO (0). This is our starting point.
Then we have 7 intermediate steps before a
new definition exist. These 7 steps are none
existant and merely a way for us small brained
humans to cope with defining things and give
labels to it. At point Nr 8 we arrive to something
we define as "?" None Hominidae, this is a
species that does not belong to the same
family tree we define us as.
Then we continue to point 13 after additional
"steps" that once again does not exist, they
are a way for us humans to define and label
things. At number 13 we have another "?" None
Hominidae, so we continue to point 19 where
we finally get something we recognize. A Homo,
but it seems we still do not classify this as
a Human but rather just part of our Family
(Hominidae) so we continue a couple of more
intermediate none-steps and arrive at step
25, or is that none-step?
Here we have someting called Homo and we define
it as a Homo sapien sapien, a Human being. This
is once again, a label we put on it to identify
various species. If we then go on to the last step
32, we have Homo sapien sapien as well.
Now if you notice we have various Question marks
over some the none-marked steps (?), and this
is areas we have not defined or have any knowledge
about. If we take step, or that is, none-step 31,
the just before Homo sapien sapien and between
earlier Homo sapien sapien, we clearly got what
we define as a Human as well even if it is marked
as a Question (?) mark.
But what about step 19 to 25? Somewhere between
these none-steps we become Human... Or do we?
No, the truth is that, as said over and over again,
these steps are not steps, they are arbitrary
definitions for us Humans to label things. We
decided that we have a new species somewhere between
step 19 and 25, we went from what we defined as
none-human to Human even if you would never be
able to say when. It is constant change that you
cant and never will notice without stepping back
and look at the whole picture at the same time
as you would be forced to make an arbitrary choice
of when something is sufficiently different for
you to define it as something other then the previous
Species it was.

Science is hard and complicated, it demands alot
from you as a person. That you do not understand
something does not change its reality. And if you
deny something that the rest of the qualified world
tells you is true, it should make alarm bells ring,
this is not a huge conspiracy and no one is voting
for Evolution because they are against religion,
it is simple that it is a fact and this knowledge
has made the world a better place to live. Think
about that and feel free to ask any questions if
you truly have some you want the answer too.

Look at you.....with all your graphs, evidence, facts and whatnot.......


....I like it....

 

[Gabethewiking]

Look at you.....with all your graphs, evidence, facts and whatnot.......


....I like it....

I didn't see the poor format it got, I wrote it in Notepad and then pasted
it, sometimes a bad thing to do.

Well, most comments I got is that it is not evidence or fact, it is "just a graph", and even if I explain to them, such as the above example, is just a graphical representiton to help them understand, they ignore it and say we made "evolution up", I guess to promote our evil world views, such as the stable, safe and poverty free areas of Scandinavia or our horrible violent and dangerous neighbour Canada....

But seriously, I am close to giving up, they just dont listen and they usually lie to waste ones time pretending they want to learn and then they continue to spout the same ignorance over and over again. Maybe that is their plan, to bore us out thinking Science and Knowledge will eventually die.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I didn't see the poor format it got, I wrote it in Notepad and then pasted
it, sometimes a bad thing to do.

Well, most comments I got is that it is not evidence or fact, it is "just a graph", and even if I explain to them, such as the above example, is just a graphical representiton to help them understand, they ignore it and say we made "evolution up", I guess to promote our evil world views, such as the stable, safe and poverty free areas of Scandinavia or our horrible violent and dangerous neighbour Canada....

But seriously, I am close to giving up, they just dont listen and they usually lie to waste ones time pretending they want to learn and then they continue to spout the same ignorance over and over again. Maybe that is their plan, to bore us out thinking Science and Knowledge will eventually die.

Well IMO the graph wasn't bad and I've seen worse.

As far as creationist...I, as well, find there arguments to be circular. I've become increasingly bored lately with all of it. There's the occasional newcomer that arrives ready to debate here after coming from other forums and sipping the Kool Aid at (Answersingenesis)....thinking they are mentally equipped to debunk a sound theory but wind up showing they lack even the basic knowledge and understanding of the ToE. You know the ones......the ones shaking their fingers.:tsk:..demanding "proof" after we have submitted so much evidence for them to look at.....

Ya, know I hear...(Teach the controversy) all the time from some creationist. Well. I understand the theory so I would like for them to present the "controversy" so that we can discuss them and hopefully clear somethings up.

Well, hopefully, their silence means they're off actually studying the data that has been posted.....but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Well IMO the graph wasn't bad and I've seen worse.

As far as creationist...I, as well, find there arguments to be circular. I've become increasingly bored lately with all of it. There's the occasional newcomer that arrives ready to debate here after coming from other forums and sipping the Kool Aid at (Answersingenesis)....thinking they are mentally equipped to debunk a sound theory but wind up showing they lack even the basic knowledge and understanding of the ToE. You know the ones......the ones shaking their fingers.:tsk:..demanding "proof" after we have submitted so much evidence for them to look at.....

Ya, know I hear...(Teach the controversy) all the time from some creationist. Well. I understand the theory so I would like for them to present the "controversy" so that we can discuss them and hopefully clear somethings up.

Well, hopefully, their silence means they're off actually studying the data that has been posted.....but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

I just find it, as silly as it may sound, So sad and dangerous. These people will have children, they will prevent them from having a proper education and they will, because of their parents, become equally ignorant and stupid.

Only a few of them will brake free, perhaps end up at a (real) College with a real education, but few does. The movie "Jesus Camp" comes to mind, I wonder how many of does kids have gotten the chance to live in the real world and I wonder how they look at their parents, as demented morons or the way we look at child predators, they are all the same to me, Destroying innocent children are the purest of Evil.


Regarding the "Teach the Controversy", well, I have had a look at this Stork Theory and must say, it seems compelling. Who knows, one day we might have the Other Side in School so the kids can decide themselves what is true, that is what they want, right? As long as it is not the "wrong" truth.