Not really; everybody who lives in the real world knows if you are referred to as an animal, that is an insult! Even though we know we all fit the category of animal. Sometimes it is more important to understand what the person is trying to communicate to you than making sure they are using the correct usage of the word each word.
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Human Animals?
- Thread starter The Hammer
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What a silly argument!
Are humans inferior to plants? Why is no one insulted when they're referred to as a plant? A mineral?
I was talking about consenting to be my pet, and all of that entails of being a pet.
Are you saying forcing a sex act on someone is okay as long as you have the right intent?
So according to you, it is okay for a man to force a sex act on a woman so long as he does it to get her pregnant; it is only wrong if he does it due to lust! Is that your complete view? Or did I leave anything out.
I am only telling you what I mean when I say ape. If you have no idea what they have at the zoo, we are gonna have a hard time understanding each other.
because for whatever reason, nobody chose to use plant as an insult word for human
Fantastic. But that's not what we were talking about. We were talking about using animals and your saying they provide consent as our friends.
No and no. For the third time, I'm saying your analogy fails and explaining to you why it does.
Do you know what "intent" means? If so, I'm confused by your path of logic that led you to these conclusions.
Or are you simply deflecting your failed logic and shifting goal posts?
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Yay! You got it! Humans are in the ape family, or to put it another way, humans are apes. (the word modern means absolutely nothing in this classification, as has already been pointed out to you).
Secret Chief
Degrow!
I do. I live with two domesticated cats and have handfed a lion (and a jaguar). Unfortunately you don't seem to understand the words "great ape."
Once again, for you to presumably ignore:
- Hominidae - Wikipedia
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I said I have their consent. When an animal does not resist, or agrees to do as I wish, (usually for a treat/reward) I consider that consent.
I understand what intent means. So give me a scenario where it is okay to kill a woman's kids and force a sex act on her against her will. What intent could possibly makes this okay in your view?
Secret Chief
Degrow!
1. Only loaded if one is ignorant of the meaning.
2. The "great apes" are still in existence. Godnose where you get the idea great apes became extinct a million years ago. The term includes us. Once again:
- Hominidae - Wikipedia
Hint: note the term "great ape." Helpfully it's in bold.
If you dislike reading, try speaking to a member of staff at a proper zoo (not some roadside ****hole).
3. Some of the apes around today are human. One of them is you.
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Secret Chief
Degrow!
You have said correctly that humans are part of the ape family. Guess what, that means humans are apes.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
As an aside from this rather surreal thread...
I believe there are such places (called roadside zoos?) in the US that are truly disgusting, but proper zoos are at the forefront of trying to conserve species. In fact, that is their prime motivation these days. I've been a "Keeper for a Day" at one and what they are achieving is fantastic (and sadly necessary).
Example:
- Our Projects - What we do
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I don't answer loaded questions, and again, we're done with your flawed analogy.
Secret Chief
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And of course there is only one species with the superior intelligence to be able to trigger a mass extinction event, cause a global climate crisis and significantly denude the biosphere.
Because plants and stones are superior beings. Obviously.
But you do realize in everyday language, people do not refer to themselves as apes; right?
You dont like my analogy because it exposes your claim as false. You claim humans are not superior to beasts, but you obviously judge humans at a much higher standard than you do beasts. Your actions speak louder than your words.,
Okay. Thanks for setting me straight.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Yes but irrelevant. In everyday language people do not refer to themselves as hominids, or bipeds, or eukaryotes, or....
No; it is completely relevant. When I said as a human I consider myself superior to dogs and apes, I was referring to canines and the type of apes you find in the zoo, then I explained why. Everybody then began to focus on the definition of apes in an effort to completely ignore the point I was making and attempted to shift the conversation to what is an ape rather than the point I was making.
Secret Chief
Degrow!
Dear god. It's simple. HUMANS ARE APES. You are not superior to apes because you ARE an ape. Dogs, cats, zoos, lions, and the word 'modern' have got absolutely nothing to do with this simple fact. As you said humans are part of the ape family. That's it. You're an ape.
Have you read that link? It seems not from your posts. The essential words are in red.
"The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/), whose members are known as the great apes or hominids (/ˈhɒmɪnɪdz/), are a taxonomic family of primates that includes eight extant species in four genera: Pongo (the Bornean, Sumatran and Tapanuli orangutan); Gorilla (the eastern and western gorilla); Pan (the chimpanzee and the bonobo); and Homo, of which only modern humans (Homo sapiens) remain."