How to tell you are successful magician

[Willamena]

If you're too pathetic to set your own goals, sure.

And what standards have you set for yourself?

 

[NIX]

I generally go with the assumption that every grownup individual is trying to sell something.

People are interesting to watch. Though as a consumer I am buying product- not a sales pitch.

 

[1137]

And what standards have you set for yourself?

Why are my goals your business? Knowing I set my standards may be necessary information in this discussion, but assuming I can even truly verbalize those standards, why need I share them?

 

[Kemble]

Another quick thought for now; I think a good way to tell you are a successful magician is when the magic of others can be easily recognized and, if the magic is against you, being able to resist it without the other magician even realizing they've been called out.

What?

 

[Twig pentagram]

Another quick thought for now; I think a good way to tell you are a successful magician is when the magic of others can be easily recognized and, if the magic is against you, being able to resist it without the other magician even realizing they've been called out.

I think thats a great measurement of magickal success.

 

[Twig pentagram]

And I don't understand the opposition either.

 

[NIX]

And I don't understand the opposition either.

I don't either.

 

[NIX]

It's basic LBM awareness and interaction skills. We are surrounded daily by the LBM techniques of others. Who does it benefit when you walk around unaware?

 

[1137]

And I don't understand the opposition either.

I don't either.

Glad it's not just me (how Rhp of me haha).

 

[apophenia]

How to tell if you are a successful magician ?

You don't think the world sucks.

Being misunderstood is no biggie.

Kids and wild animals like being around you.

Being alone with nothing to do is delightful.

Vengeance and control are laughable memories from a long time ago, which would embarrass you except, fortunately, you are a successful magician.

 

[atanu]

How to tell if you are a successful magician ?

You don't think the world sucks.

Being misunderstood is no biggie.

Kids and wild animals like being around you.

Being alone with nothing to do is delightful.

Vengeance and control are laughable memories from a long time ago, which would embarrass you except, fortunately, you are a successful magician.

I see that you enumerated nothing related to actually doing some magic.

 

[YmirGF]

I see that you enumerated nothing related to actually doing some magic.

You mean that magic is actually real and not just cheap parlor tricks? Who knew?

 

[apophenia]

I see that you enumerated nothing related to actually doing some magic.

You think ?

Lojong is magic. And Tong Len.
Tong Len is without doubt the highest form of what I would call magic.
With or without k.

Turning lead into gold, psychologically speaking.

 

[atanu]

Actually I see magic when I see frubals count of others jumping ahead, although I am doing most of the good jobs, selflessly. God is not impartial.

 

[atanu]

You think ?

Lojong is magic. And Tong Len.
Tong Len is without doubt the highest form of what I would call magic.
With or without k.

Turning lead into gold, psychologically speaking.

That is gold, psychologically speaking. :yes:

 

[The Sum of Awe]

How to tell if you are a successful magician ?

You don't think the world sucks.

Being misunderstood is no biggie.

Kids and wild animals like being around you.

Being alone with nothing to do is delightful.

Vengeance and control are laughable memories from a long time ago, which would embarrass you except, fortunately, you are a successful magician.

Unless your goal is the... opposition of what you said there.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

You think ?

Lojong is magic. And Tong Len.
Tong Len is without doubt the highest form of what I would call magic.
With or without k.

Turning lead into gold, psychologically speaking.

The only time where I can see that to be a valued goal is when you trick society into believing so - just how they did convince everyone a green piece of paper was worth something.

 

[NIX]

How to tell if you are a successful magician ?

You don't think the world sucks.

Being misunderstood is no biggie.

Kids and wild animals like being around you.

Being alone with nothing to do is delightful.

Vengeance and control are laughable memories from a long time ago, which would embarrass you except, fortunately, you are a successful magician.

I don't really see where vengeance and control have entered in here.
Sometimes it just happens that you are directly confronted by a person who is trying to pull stuff over on you. Trying to work you- manipulate you emotionally or whatnont for whatever reason/benefit of their own. Like a salesperson. When you smoothly detect the lines of BS and counter the situation with finesse you have protected your own interests and at the same time walk away unschathed and generally respected and well liked to boot.

Maybe there is more than one conversation taking place here in this thread.
This is how I understood the OP anyway.

 

[apophenia]

I don't really see where vengeance and control have entered in here.
Sometimes it just happens that you are directly confronted by a person who is trying to pull stuff over on you. Trying to work you- manipulate you emotionally or whatnont for whatever reason/benefit of their own. Like a salesperson. When you smoothly detect the lines of BS and counter the situation with finesse you have protected your own interests and at the same time walk away unschathed and generally respected and well liked to boot.

Maybe there is more than one conversation taking place here in this thread.
This is how I understood the OP anyway.

I was expressing what I think are the best outcomes magic (intention - acts of will) .

Most of my list focuses on the positive kinds of outcomes, and the transformation of negative and ultimately self-defeating tendencies.

I have known people who considered that magic and the LHP were entirely about personal power, and who took a certain pleasure in defeating 'opponents'. I'm not stereotyping LHPers in general here - I actually encountered people like that, some of whom were determined to do me serious harm because they thought I was way too 'nice'.

So I gave a variety of outcomes of what I consider successful magic,most of which are very positive and upbeat, but including defeating the ultimate 'opponent' - the self-cherishing narcissistic Machiavellian (for want of a better word) power-seeking aspect of the human psyche.

Yeah, I know that we all have to deal with manipulators and bullies, and there's not much value in being wimpy about it. But I agree with Nietzsche when he said that a good outcome for a human is sublimating the will-to-power into creativity. That was his take on 'successful magic'.

Does that answer your query. ?

 

[NIX]

Very often the best way of 'disarming' someone is by being disarming.
Disarming and Charming.