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How many 'Sons' does God have?

da32010

New Member
How many 'Sons' does God have?


Many people tell us "but the Bible clearly says that Jesus is the Son of God. How can you say that Jesus is not God's only begotten son when Jesus says it so clearly in black and white in the Bible?" Well, first of all, we need to know the language of his people, the language of the Jews to whom he was speaking. Let us see how they understood this proclamation.

Let us begin by asking: How many sons does the Bible tell us that God Almighty has?

Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" [Exodus 4:22]

Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 [Samuel 7:13-14]

Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" [Jeremiah 31:9] (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).

Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God" [Luke 3:38].

Common people (you and me) are the sons of God:
"Ye are the children of the LORD your God" [Deuteronomy 14:1].
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" [Romans 8:14].
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name" [John 1:12].
"That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" [Philippians 2:15].
"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 [John 3:1-2].
"When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" [Job 38:7].
"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD" [Job 2:1].
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD" [Job 1:6].
"when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men," [Genesis 6:4].
"That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair" [Genesis 6:2].

As we can see, the use of the term "son of God" when describing normal human beings was not at all an uncommon practice among Jesus' people.

Well then, was Jesus the only begotten son of God?

Read Psalms 2:7 : "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me (King David, King), Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee"

Indeed, the Jews are even referred to as much more than this in the Bible, and this is indeed the very trait which Jesus (pbuh) held against them. When the Jews picked up stones to stone Jesus (pbuh) he defended himself with the following words
"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, 'I said, Ye are gods?' If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken..." [John 10:34]

(he was referring to Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High..") As we can see from these and many other verses like them, "son of God" in the language of the Jews was a very innocent term used to describe a loyal servant of God. Whether the translators and editors chose to write it as "Son of God" (with a capital S) in reference to Jesus and "son of God" (with a small S) in reference to everyone else does not diminish the fact that in the original language, both cases are exactly the same. Are we beginning to see what drove the most learned men of the Anglican Church to recognize the truth? But let us move on.

Grolier's encyclopedia, under the heading "Jesus Christ," says:
"During his earthly life Jesus was addressed as rabbi and was regarded as a prophet. Some of his words, too, place him in the category of sage. A title of respect for a rabbi would be "my Lord." Already before Easter his followers, impressed by his authority, would mean something more than usual when they addressed him as "my Lord.".... it is unlikely that the title "Son of David" was ascribed to him or accepted by him during his earthly ministry. "Son of God," in former times a title of the Hebrew kings (Psalms 2:7), was first adopted in the post-Easter church as an equivalent of Messiah and had no metaphysical connotations (Romans 1:4). Jesus was conscious of a unique filial relationship with God, but it is uncertain whether the Father/Son language (Mark 18:32; Matt. 11:25-27 par.; John passim) goes back to Jesus himself" .

There seems to be only two places in the Bible where Jesus (pbuh) refers to himself as "son of God." They are in John chapters 5 and 11. Hastings in "The dictionary of the Bible" says: "Whether Jesus used it of himself is doubtful." Regardless, we have already seen what is meant by this innocent title. However, Jesus is referred to as the "son of Man" (literally: "Human being") 81 times in the books of the Bible. In the Gospel of Barnabas, we are told that Jesus (pbuh) knew that mankind would make him a god after his departure and severely cautioned his followers from having anything to do with such people.

Jesus was not the son of a human man (according to both the Bible and the Qur'an). However, we find him constantly saying "I am the son of man." Why?. It was because in the language of the Jews, that is how you say "I am a human being."

What was he trying to tell us by constantly repeating and emphasizing to us throughout the New Testament "I am a human being," "I am a human being," "I am a human being"?. What had he foreseen? Think about it!.

Do Christians emphasize this aspect of Jesus? The New Testament Greek word translated as "son" are "pias" and "paida" which mean "servant," or "son in the sense of servant." These are translated to "son" in reference to Jesus and "servant" in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible (see below). As we are beginning to see, one of the most fundamental reasons why Jesus (pbuh) is considered God is due to extensive mistranslation. We shall see more and more examples of this throughout this book.

Islam teaches that Jesus (pbuh) was a human being, not a God. Jesus (peace be upon him) continually emphasized this to his followers throughout his mission. The Gospel of Barnabas also affirms this fact. Once again, Grolier's encyclopedia says:

"...Most problematical of all is the title "Son of Man." This is the only title used repeatedly by Jesus as a self-designation, and there is no clear evidence that it was used as a title of majesty by the post-Easter church. Hence it is held by many to be authentic, since it passes the criterion of dissimilarity."
 

Volgin

Member
There is only one GOD and that is the Almighty Allah. He is the God for everyone. No one else is the God. He does no child nor he is the child of anyone. He exists everywhere. He is the one who is controlling this world. Everything happens to His wish. We are to obey his orders by doing as He wishes. Now thw Question is that what He says; for that, Read the Holy Quran, that is purely his word. Not even a single word of this Holy Book has been changed since its revelation on the Last and Final Prophet, Hazrat Muhammad(s.a.w).
 
Quran says in Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4) is:
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him

First of all we Muslim don't believe in bibble that not the original scripture raveled on prophet Eisla alislam (Jesus), Ok now you might believe it on if some body agree with you on the quotes you provided then this will contradict with many other one link

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YouTube - Dr. Zakir Naik - Jesus is not God Proof from the bible
and
Islamic Research Foundation - Islam & Christianity

Secondly , if some body agree with some Christian concept (I know some christion also belive Prohet Eisa alisam as Prophet ) then tell me

a) How can God born? (Prophet Eisa was born)
b) How can GOD Died or will died? (we Muslim don't believe that Prophet Eisa alisalm was died on cross, rather we believe that they will come again in this world and then died as a normally we died?
c) Who is taking care of the world before Jesus born or after her death?
d) How can GOD have not even power to save him from his own creature , i mean how can human give death to GOD and GOD did nothing?

All these are enough proves that Prophet Eisa alisalm was not GOD, he was Prophet of Allah.

I suggest you to first clear you mind blank ,forget every thing which either you hear from Muslim or Christan , Now ask question above with yourself (don't think or influenced by any other person , just try to judge's the answer by yourself and your heart will give you answers.
 

nawab

Active Member
wha so big difference

a apple and the apple are just simple apples

why should so much emphases be put on that son but not on any son
 

mdmc8504

New Member
according to the bible jesus is the son of god. And only him despite the references used in your original post i dont think the intent was intended litteral rather it was more likely gap in languages simply meaning a son of instead of follower. i personally dont believe in the bible or any ancient book for that matter because over time one translation leads to another and things are lost. its like playing at 2000 year old game of telephone. so to conclude in christianity there is one. in islam there is zero. but in say mormonism there is potenially an unlimited ammount because the goal of every mormon is too eventually become a god of their own planet and create the population if they ascend to the highest level of their faith thus the reason for taking multiple wives in the hope of populating a new planet in the after life.
 

starlite

Texasgirl
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jesus, Michael, being his name in his pre-human existence, is the only begotten because he is the only Son directly created by God himself. All other sons were created by Michael as God's masterworker. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Colossians 1:15-17 NWT
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, [/FONT]
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I am a son of God, but Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

See the difference?
Pete, I agree with you totally. See, you and I actually agree on so many things. You are determined to focus on what we disagree on, but we have much more in common than you think.
 
how many stars fill the sky?

beyond experience, we can only relate to god in metaphors, concepts, ideas. these can barely scratch the surface of true meaning
 
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ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
Jesus Christ is the "Only Begotten Son" of the Father. However, the Bible teaches that God is the Father of the spirits of all of us and that we are His offspring.

I do agree that God is the Father of the spirits of everyone. However, I do not agree that Jesus is the "Only Begotten Son". I do not believe that Jesus was divine or a member of the godhead although I respect everyone's right to believe as they do concerning Jesus. :peace::cross::peace:

Personally, I believe in a way that is similar to what some Asian religions believe. I believe that Jesus was not divine but that he did indeed have a spark of the divine within him. I also believe that Jesus was very much an enlightened person.

That said, I feel that there may not even be a correct opinion on the matter of Jesus. I know I was not there, at least not physically, when Jesus walked the lands of Palestine and Israel. I believe my spirit was already in existence but I definitely do not remember anything from that time and I don't even know if I am meant to remember anything from that time or not. ;):p:eek:
 

IAMDONE

Member
I don't know how many beings on Earth are male and I don't know how many beings on other planets are male.
Everything is one and so everything is god...
 

Enki2

Member
There was no J in the alphabet until the 600 AD era; So Starlite,Michael was an arch angel that spoke to Mary and convinced the pure wholesome young girl to have sex with(Overshadow, layupon) with Gabri-El, the Holy Ghost; Are you saying that Yeshua(Jesus)Michael) told Gabriel to father him ?
The Holy Ghosts signs are the Dove, palm branch, flowing water, eggs etc etc all female, so Did a female God, father a son on a female?
 

Bob Dixon

>implying
It varies from age to age. In this age - the age of Kali Yuga - the answer is not many.

I'm inclined to disagree.
I'd say that the number of Sons of God is always the same as the number of people, no matter what age. The difference is in the number of people who recognise that fact and live like Sons of God.
 

Student of X

Paradigm Shifter
I'm inclined to disagree.
I'd say that the number of Sons of God is always the same as the number of people, no matter what age. The difference is in the number of people who recognise that fact and live like Sons of God.

However you want to put it it varies from age to age.
 
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