leibowde84
Veteran Member
You are like a politician, dodging my question. How do you know that the Spirit actually can do this? Are you just taking the spirit's word for it, or are you basing this on some kind of outside evidence?
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How do you know the Bible is the word of God?
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leibowde84
Veteran Member
I never said that the Bible is circular reasoning. Saying that the Bible is accurate because the Bible claims itself to be the Word of God (a.k.a. accurate) is circular reasoning, as you are assuming your conclusion in your premise. In other words, you would be saying that the Bible is accurate because it says that it is accurate.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Wrong. It's still circular logic. If I said "I'm god's messenger, god speaks though me, and god says I'm his messenger." Because you believe in god, you must also believe my claim, right? After all, I'm using the exact same logic that you are with the bible. And just because someone doesn't believe in the bible doesn't necessarily mean that they don't believe in god, either. Think about all of the religions besides Judaism and Christianity who believe in god yet reject your bible. So yes, your argument is circular and fallacious. It gets irritating having to explain all of these points countless times, over and over.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
The spirit is alive inside me and says that your "spirit" is either a demon or mental illness. He's not sure which.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Well said. Those of us who believe in God believe He chose certain men to author the Bible, therefore the Bible is not circular reasoning. If a person is convinced that no god exists then he naturally concludes the Bible must be circular reasoning.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Congratulations. You are currently the only person on my Ignore List. I will not attempt to reason with your childish pride anynore.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
I just told you. I am unable to elaborate anymore than that. You will either believe me or you will not.
Faith results in wrong thinking. How ca it not if by that method, one can believe anything at all however wrong it were?
More likely, in the end, we'll see nothing.
The wisdom of man made it possible for you to express that opinion throughout the globe almost instantaneously.
The Bible is ossified. That's not a good thing.
What you call the Spirit is what I call a faith based confirmation bias.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Every statement you just made is based on your faith. You certainly cannot even prove one of them as fact, it is simply what you choose to believe. And that's fine.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Again, no one is saying that the Bible is circular reasoning. Regardless of your beliefs, the argument that the Bible is accurate because it claims to be the word of god is fraudulent logic, as it is merely stating that the Bible is accurate because the Bible is accurate. You are assuming your conclusion in your premise.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
But, you never answered my question. Are you saying you have no reason to believe that the Spirit is telling you the truth?
such discrepancy in a religion guiding book is a clear indication this book is invalidated. God preserves his wholly book as pristine as it was. immuned against all fabrications and distortions. all bibles were written by men, not even by Jesus (God messenger,Peace be uppon him)
Repox
Truth Seeker
I think the key to the dilemma is "inspired." Men have been inspired from strong beliefs and, perhaps, spiritual experiences with God. How would you know what this or that author writes is correct or not? What an enormous problem. It comes down to what you think is the correct interpretation. If you have spiritual experiences, it is easier to make choices for what is and what is not close to the "word of God."
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
No, I'm not saying that. Quite the opposite, actually.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
So, how do you know?
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
The Spirit is able to make Himself known. The Spirit is truth. The Spirit's "communication" is much more efficient than human language. He is able to leave me with no doubt as to who He is.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
So if I write a book and the book I write says it's the word of god.....is it?
If you're God it does.
proudpagan
Member
I am still waiting for the day when mods allow me to post my 14 questions about christianity . I even have challanged if any christian could give logical answer I had convert to Christianity .
I think this God doesn't have the addiction of slaughtering innocents, we do. However God could do it to make a point and we can't really blame him. God is not the one with the addiction. Also, God may have an important reason in showing that he works through prophets. If God doesn't make sure prophets are respected then that would take away a major option for God from the table.