How do you know the Bible is the word of God?

[djhwoodwerks]

If you read Genesis at face value and leave all of your bias and everything you've been taught behind you will begin to understand it.

Absolutely! And with an honest and humble heart. God will reveal the truth.

 

[Father Heathen]

Well did Paul prophecy of you:

1 Corinthians 1
21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


Indeed you do not nor can you understand that which was preached by the New Testament Apostles. Your response does not surprise me at all. You think in the flesh and dwell in the flesh and you cannot understand or relate with those who dwell in the Spirit, for the two at odds with one another.

 

[DavidFirth]

My issue is with setting aside your critical thinking and moral sense. What you set it aside for is secondary.

What you're basically saying is that if something strikes you as morally wrong, you're still willing to do it if someone convinces you that it's God's will. Again: this seems like a recipe for evil.

I have no idea where you got that from. I didn't say that.

 

[DavidFirth]

How does this answer the question, "how do you know the bible is the word of god"? Can you answer it? Or, are you unable to?

The Spirit confirms God's word, for the Spirit is able to discern between truth and falsehood, indeed, the Spirit is able to separate the marrow from the bone.

I have already told you and you did not believe me. Should I tell you again? Very well. The Spirit has communicated the truth to me. He speaks Spiritually, not with words like a man.

 

[DavidFirth]

Unless you can convince a mod to delete the post it will remain where it is.

Also,
Isaiah 40:8
"The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever."

and

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

 

[Father Heathen]

Unless you can convince a mod to delete the post it will remain where it is.

Also,
Isaiah 40:8
"The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever."

and

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

"I am Sam
Sam I am

That Sam-I-am
That Sam-I-am!
I do not like
That Sam-I-am

Do you like
Green eggs and ham

I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.
I do not like
Green eggs and ham.

Would you like them
Here or there?

I would not like them
Here or there.
I would not like them
Anywhere.
I do not like
Green eggs and ham.
I do not like them,
Sam-I-am

Would you like them
In a house?
Would you like them
With a mouse?

I do not like them
In a house.
I do not like them
With a mouse.
I do not like them
Here or there.
I do not like them
Anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you eat them
In a box?
Would you eat them
With a fox?

Not in a box.
Not with a fox.
Not in a house.
Not with a mouse.
I would not eat them here or there.
I would not eat them anywhere.
I would not eat green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you? Could you?
In a car?
Eat them! Eat them!
Here they are.

I would not,
Could not,
In a car

You may like them.
You will see.
You may like them
In a tree?

I would not, could not in a tree.
Not in a car! You let me be.
I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them with a fox
I do not like them in a house
I do not like them with a mouse
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

A train! A train!
A train! A train!
Could you, would you
On a train?

Not on a train! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! Sam! Let me be!
I would not, could not, in a box.
I could not, would not, with a fox.
I will not eat them with a mouse
I will not eat them in a house.
I will not eat them here or there.
I will not eat them anywhere.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark!
Would you, could you, in the dark?

I would not, could not,
In the dark.

Would you, could you,
In the rain?

I would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark. Not on a train,
Not in a car, Not in a tree.
I do not like them, Sam, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I will not eat them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere!

You do not like
Green eggs and ham?

I do not
Like them,
Sam-I-am.

Could you, would you,
With a goat?

I would not,
Could not.
With a goat!

Would you, could you,
On a boat?

I could not, would not, on a boat.
I will not, will not, with a goat.
I will not eat them in the rain.
I will not eat them on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them with a fox.
I will not eat them in a house.
I do not like them with a mouse.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere!

I do not like
Green egss
And ham!

I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.

You do not like them.
So you say.
Try them! Try them!
And you may.
Try them and you may I say.

Sam!
If you will let me be,
I will try them.
You will see.

Say!
I like green eggs and ham!
I do! I like them, Sam-I-am!
And I would eat them in a boat!
And I would eat them with a goat.
And I will eat them in the rain.
And in the dark. And on a train.
And in a car. And in a tree.
They are so good so good you see!

So I will eat them in a box.
And I will eat them with a fox.
And I will eat them in a house.
And I will eat them with a mouse.
And I will eat them here and there.
Say! I will eat them anywhere!

I do so like
Green eggs and ham!
Thank you!
Thank you,
Sam-I-am"

 

[DavidFirth]

"I am Sam
Sam I am

That Sam-I-am
That Sam-I-am!
I do not like
That Sam-I-am

Do you like
Green eggs and ham

I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.
I do not like
Green eggs and ham.

Would you like them
Here or there?

I would not like them
Here or there.
I would not like them
Anywhere.
I do not like
Green eggs and ham.
I do not like them,
Sam-I-am

Would you like them
In a house?
Would you like them
With a mouse?

I do not like them
In a house.
I do not like them
With a mouse.
I do not like them
Here or there.
I do not like them
Anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you eat them
In a box?
Would you eat them
With a fox?

Not in a box.
Not with a fox.
Not in a house.
Not with a mouse.
I would not eat them here or there.
I would not eat them anywhere.
I would not eat green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you? Could you?
In a car?
Eat them! Eat them!
Here they are.

I would not,
Could not,
In a car

You may like them.
You will see.
You may like them
In a tree?

I would not, could not in a tree.
Not in a car! You let me be.
I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them with a fox
I do not like them in a house
I do not like them with a mouse
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

A train! A train!
A train! A train!
Could you, would you
On a train?

Not on a train! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! Sam! Let me be!
I would not, could not, in a box.
I could not, would not, with a fox.
I will not eat them with a mouse
I will not eat them in a house.
I will not eat them here or there.
I will not eat them anywhere.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark!
Would you, could you, in the dark?

I would not, could not,
In the dark.

Would you, could you,
In the rain?

I would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark. Not on a train,
Not in a car, Not in a tree.
I do not like them, Sam, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I will not eat them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere!

You do not like
Green eggs and ham?

I do not
Like them,
Sam-I-am.

Could you, would you,
With a goat?

I would not,
Could not.
With a goat!

Would you, could you,
On a boat?

I could not, would not, on a boat.
I will not, will not, with a goat.
I will not eat them in the rain.
I will not eat them on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them with a fox.
I will not eat them in a house.
I do not like them with a mouse.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere!

I do not like
Green egss
And ham!

I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.

You do not like them.
So you say.
Try them! Try them!
And you may.
Try them and you may I say.

Sam!
If you will let me be,
I will try them.
You will see.

Say!
I like green eggs and ham!
I do! I like them, Sam-I-am!
And I would eat them in a boat!
And I would eat them with a goat.
And I will eat them in the rain.
And in the dark. And on a train.
And in a car. And in a tree.
They are so good so good you see!

So I will eat them in a box.
And I will eat them with a fox.
And I will eat them in a house.
And I will eat them with a mouse.
And I will eat them here and there.
Say! I will eat them anywhere!

I do so like
Green eggs and ham!
Thank you!
Thank you,
Sam-I-am"

Got anymore childish rants in you just dying to get out or is that about it? You actually expect a devoted Christian to see things your way when you act this childish?

 

[Father Heathen]

Got anymore childish rants in you just dying to get out or is that about it? You actually expect a devoted Christian to see things your way when you act this childish?

Trust me, I've no expectations.

 

[DavidFirth]

Trust me, I've no expectations.

Just looking to make fun of Christianity or all religion?

 

[Father Heathen]

Just looking to make fun of Christianity or all religion?

No, I just tire of people using circular logic even after they're called out on it. What could you hope to achieve?

 

[DavidFirth]

No, I just tire of people using circular logic even after they're called out on it. What could you hope to achieve?

It is only circular if you don't believe it. To those of us that believe it isn't circular at all.

God put His Spirit in men of His choosing to write the Bible, an account of actual history, in particular recording the interaction of God and Man.

That's not circular at all - unless you don't think God exists - only then is it a circular argument.

 

[leibowde84]

The Spirit confirms God's word, for the Spirit is able to discern between truth and falsehood, indeed, the Spirit is able to separate the marrow from the bone.

How do you know that the Spirit is able to do this?

 

[Father Heathen]

It is only circular if you don't believe it. To those of us that believe it isn't circular at all.

God put His Spirit in men of His choosing to write the Bible, an account of actual history, in particular recording the interaction of God and Man.

That's not circular at all - unless you don't think God exists - only then is it a circular argument.

That's not how logic works. Belief has nothing to do with it.

 

[DavidFirth]

How do you know that the Spirit is able to do this?

If the Spirit has confirmed it to me then I know He is able to do this.

 

[DavidFirth]

That's not how logic works. Belief has nothing to do with it.

Well, logic doesn't assume a deity does or does not exist so it is one's approach to logic that differs from others. If you approach logic without the possibility of deity it is going to affect your logic as opposed to one who does approach it with the possibility of deity in mind.

 

[leibowde84]

It is only circular if you don't believe it. To those of us that believe it isn't circular at all.

God put His Spirit in men of His choosing to write the Bible, an account of actual history, in particular recording the interaction of God and Man.

That's not circular at all - unless you don't think God exists - only then is it a circular argument.

That's not true. Circular logic is an explanation of faulty logic. It doesn't matter whether you believe what you are saying is true in the least. Circular reasoning is when you attempt to make an argument by beginning with an assumption that what you are trying to prove is already true. In your premise, you already accept the truth of the claim you are attempting to make. For example, saying that the Bible is true because the Bible is the word of God would be logically fallacious. Biblical scripture claims to be the word of God, but that isn't evidence of anything, it is merely a claim.

 

[leibowde84]

If the Spirit has confirmed it to me then I know He is able to do this.

I understand that you are claiming that the spirit told you this. I am asking how you know the spirit can ACTUALLY do this. Are you just taking the spirit's word for it, or are you basing it on some kind of outside evidence?

 

[DavidFirth]

I understand that you are claiming that the spirit told you this. I am asking how you know the spirit can ACTUALLY do this. Are you just taking the spirit's word for it, or are you basing it on some kind of outside evidence?

The Spirit is alive inside me. He communicates with me spiritually. I know He is there, there is no doubt in my mind about it.

 

[leibowde84]

Well, logic doesn't assume a deity does or does not exist so it is one's approach to logic that differs from others. If you approach logic without the possibility of deity it is going to affect your logic as opposed to one who does approach it with the possibility of deity in mind.

No one here is saying that logic should be approached without the possibility of God. Circular reasoning is fraudulent reasoning no matter what. Belief or possibilities of deities existing are not relevant in the least.

 

[DavidFirth]

No one here is saying that logic should be approached without the possibility of God. Circular reasoning is fraudulent reasoning no matter what. Belief or possibilities of deities existing are not relevant in the least.

Okay, present your argument that the Bible is circular logic and I'll show you how it isn't considering what you believe.