But the LHP doesn't mean any of that.
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But the LHP doesn't mean any of that.
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First of all, I don't believe in God, and I don't believe in Satan, so this is purely hypothetical and a question to those who believe.
I dunno. Care to share your insights in this?If Satan exists, wouldn't he be the one tempting you with eternal good life in a very nice place? Wouldn't he be the one trying to win the "propaganda war" with the good God by having a Holy Book or Scripture or Bible or Quran or Torah written to tell people what they need to do in order to get to this nice place he promises us?
NoWouldn't that also explain why said scriptures tell stories about people sacrificing their own children in order to show their obedience to their Lord, and encourage people to blindly follow any command from the Lord instead of thinking for themselves and teach the Lord a thing or two about morality?
Perhaps you know? If so, please share.How do we know that this Lord is good and not evil?
Really? Umm, no, Id recognize the human capacities of reason, and offer a more compelling argument that pure faith demands.If you were Satan and wanted to lure millions into worshipping you, wouldn't you claim to be God and warn about horrible punishments if people didn't follow your lead?
So only exact change in bus fare is accepted here?And if you feel the presence of God in your life or in your soul, how can you know that this is the real God and not "the deceiver" that Satan is?
Perhaps you inquire of an audience directly motivated by beliefs rooted in faith, not others that look to experimental and discernible facts as opposed to simplistic (albeit inexplicable) prima fasciae evidences otherwise crafting and supporting BS conclusions that only seem compelling to those willing to claim belief alone as evidence and proof.Wouldn't the more "morally challenged" stories and passages and inconsistencies and logical fallacies in the scriptures be such a hint that if a supernatural being is behind it, it might not be a loving God but something far less pleasant?
Sure you can choose to see it that way, or Satan was playing the role God had given him.
It was God who pointed out Job afterwards.
God:"where have you come from"
Satan: "From traveling the world"
God:"Oh have you seen my servant Job?"
It was God who pointed out Job, it is with Gods permission that the adversary challenges Job. Both the adversary and God indicate that it is "God stretching his hand out"
Ha Satan a divine tool.
It seems to revolve around black or white magic, or at least magic if you dismiss the notion that it must either be "good" or "bad".
I'd like to see a trick, please. Seriously, I'd like to see real results of magic or real evidence that any of this is true.
Magic(k) is neither good or evil, the intention of the one performing the magic(k) defines whether it is good or evil.It seems to revolve around black or white magic, or at least magic if you dismiss the notion that it must either be "good" or "bad".
Since 'magic' is commonly known as 'stage magic', you can search probably millions of youtube videos and find what you are looking for.I'd like to see a trick, please. Seriously, I'd like to see real results of magic or real evidence that any of this is true.
I thought I'd have a look, and aside from the here and now stuff like sensory information, there was nothing. Blank. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Then I started feeling joy over nothing being there. (Which I recognized as part of the jnana cycle.)Miz Chrossfire you under estimate yourself , you know a lot of stuff. There is also a crystal ball called the "mind's eye", and yes looking into that crystal ball will turn you inside out. Which is why most folks say, "To heck with that!" and I do not blame them one bit. Constantly gazing into the "mind's eye" is not for the weak kneed or for the uninitiated. One should not do this at home for professionals only I guess.
Huh? Bring me up to speed.crossfire said:Getting joy from nothing--that's priceless.
I thought I'd have a look, and aside from the here and now stuff like sensory information, there was nothing. Blank. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Then I started feeling joy over nothing being there. (Which I recognized as part of the jnana cycle.)
I couldn't perceive whether I was actually perceiving nothing or whether I wasn't perceiving anything. I don't know if this qualifies as the jnana of neither-perception-or-non-perception, but that doesn't really matter.
Getting joy from nothing--that's priceless.
Thank you. :bow:
Actually, I did a typo and typed "jnana" where I should have typed "jhana."Huh? Bring me up to speed.
First of all, I don't believe in God, and I don't believe in Satan, so this is purely hypothetical and a question to those who believe.
If Satan exists, wouldn't he be the one tempting you with eternal good life in a very nice place? Wouldn't he be the one trying to win the "propaganda war" with the good God by having a Holy Book or Scripture or Bible or Quran or Torah written to tell people what they need to do in order to get to this nice place he promises us?
Wouldn't that also explain why said scriptures tell stories about people sacrificing their own children in order to show their obedience to their Lord, and encourage people to blindly follow any command from the Lord instead of thinking for themselves and teach the Lord a thing or two about morality? How do we know that this Lord is good and not evil?
If you were Satan and wanted to lure millions into worshipping you, wouldn't you claim to be God and warn about horrible punishments if people didn't follow your lead?
And if you feel the presence of God in your life or in your soul, how can you know that this is the real God and not "the deceiver" that Satan is?
Wouldn't the more "morally challenged" stories and passages and inconsistencies and logical fallacies in the scriptures be such a hint that if a supernatural being is behind it, it might not be a loving God but something far less pleasant?
...but trying to be your own God doesn't work.
Explain your reasoning behind the idea that atheism = a person being his own God. Last I checked, all atheism meant was a lack of belief in God/Gods.
God speaks truth/ satan lies
God humbles/satan humiliates
God judges rightly/satan accuses
God is merciful/satan is cruel
God offers freedom/satan brings bondage
God promises hope/satan causes despair
God gives peace/satan inspires conflict
God is love/satan is hate
God is life/satan is death
Peace, Riverwolf,
Well, my saying "trying to be your own God" was meant for the particular case of the person I was talking to. I don't say that all atheists try to be their own God but I believe that some of them do.
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
Very good.
Satan is not Lucifer. I believe Satan has deceived the whole Christian system to believe Satan was NOT a fallen angel.
Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy.
Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNINGand abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. John writes in
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING.For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..
I cannot see that Satan had two beginnings. The word beginning in the Greek means beginning. Not first he was an angel, second he was a murder and liar. Which one was he? Do we take the RCC's translation or do we take the correct translation of the word Lucifer?
Satan was full of darkness. God is not working on a plan B. He has had a plan and a purpose from the beginning and Satan was a part of that plan. Simply a tool. Never an angel.
This is my stand and I feel that you have a choice to believe the word of God or to accept a false doctrine made up in the minds of religious men. If God created Satan as a murderer or liar from His beginning then how could be be an angel; you cannot have two beginnings.