How can you tell God apart from Satan?

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

It does seem God was willing to stand back and observe.

But God had nothing to prove and neither did Job.
That much came from the Adversary.

The 'difference' is not described at the preamble of the book.
It is simply stated...the sons of God gathered to present themselves, and with them came the devil.

It was then God that confronted him.....'from whence comest thou?.....

I see that as confrontation.
More like.....'what are YOU doing here?!....

The difference is there but not detailed.

Sure you can choose to see it that way, or Satan was playing the role God had given him.

It was God who pointed out Job afterwards.
God:"where have you come from"
Satan: "From traveling the world"
God:"Oh have you seen my servant Job?"

It was God who pointed out Job, it is with Gods permission that the adversary challenges Job. Both the adversary and God indicate that it is "God stretching his hand out"

Ha Satan a divine tool.

 

[EtuMalku]

Sure you can choose to see it that way, or Satan was playing the role God had given him.

It was God who pointed out Job afterwards.
God:"where have you come from"
Satan: "From traveling the world"
God:"Oh have you seen my servant Job?"

It was God who pointed out Job, it is with Gods permission that the adversary challenges Job. Both the adversary and God indicate that it is "God stretching his hand out"

Ha Satan a divine tool.

I can't give you more Frubals but I would if I could!! :foryou:

The unconscious mind of Job sees correctly even when conscious reason is blind and impotent.
God's dual nature has been revealed. Job, in spite of his impotence, is set up by Satan to judge over God himself. God unwittingly raises Job's spiritual consciousness by humiliating him, and in doing so God pronounces judgment on himself and gives man moral satisfaction.

God's behavior is that of an unconscious being who cannot be judged morally. God is a phenomenon and, as Job says in the Bible, "not a man." Not human but, in certain respects, less than human

 

[mystic64]

How can you tell God from Satan?

Based on my fifty years of experience as a mystic, you "can not" tell God from Satan. It can not be done. You can tell Jesus from Satan, but you can not tell God from Satan. If you attempt to approach God directly you will find yourself in over your head in a nightmare that is beyond your ability to imagine until you have experienced it. Personally I do not think that that is the way that it should be, but that is the way that it is. The only way that I have ever been able to approach God is in the presence of Lord Jesus. Without the presence of Lord Jesus God is absolutely no fun at all, He is an absolute nightmare. And I have no idea why anyone would worship Him. None.

 

[EtuMalku]

How can you tell God from Satan?

Based on my fifty years of experience as a mystic

What the heck is a mystic?

you "can not" tell God from Satan. It can not be done.

But I have already.

You can tell Jesus from Satan, but you can not tell God from Satan. If you attempt to approach God directly you will find yourself in over your head in a nightmare that is beyond your ability to imagine until you have experienced it.

Perhaps this is your experience, but this has not been mine in an respect. This 'god' you speak of is nothing more than an archetype to me, as is Satan.

Personally I do not think that that is the way that it should be, but that is the way that it is.

"that is the way "YOU" understand it to be" this is not a finite gnosis of god.

The only way that I have ever been able to approach God is in the presence of Lord Jesus. Without the presence of Lord Jesus God is absolutely no fun at all, He is an absolute nightmare. And I have no idea why anyone would worship Him. None.

So, you've been in the presence of Yeshua the Nazarene?

A paradigm is just that, a paradigm. I cannot judge your paradigm and what you say you have experienced. But, I can question your perception, or lack of.

How is it that you experienced this Jesus person and how is it you relate the experience to 'approaching' a god?

 

[Thana]

Uh well, If you read the bible it has many examples of how to tell the difference between God and the Devil and ways to combat the Devil and ways to hear God better.

Also, Christianity is hard (In a sense, Like combating the flesh, And also combating the Devil). Whereas the Devil is all about the easy rode.

 

[User Inactive]

I'm just pitching in with my opinion. I'm new here, hope everyone is respectful of it, even if they disagree.

I believe in God. The reason being what else is the life and death cycle existing in the middle of the universe for no reason? There has to be a reason for everything right?

Why is it that Satan has to exist? What I believe is God has given us the Freedom of Choice. Do good or do bad. It's up to us to do what we want. Why should Satan be responsible for anything we do? Heaven and Hell I don't know. But, I believe there is life after death on Earth.

 

[crossfire]

What the heck is a mystic?

If anyone ever figures that one out, please let me know! :areyoucra

 

[EtuMalku]

Also, Christianity is hard (In a sense, Like combating the flesh, And also combating the Devil). Whereas the Devil is all about the easy rode.

I disagree. The Left Hand Path is an individual path. There is no one to lean on except yourself. No gods beside the one within you. It is a path looked down upon with hatred, oppression, misunderstanding, and indifference. It is a lonely and frustrating path.

I believe in God. The reason being what else is the life and death cycle existing in the middle of the universe for no reason? There has to be a reason for everything right?

Why must there be a reason behind everything?
IMO, the objective universe (physical universe) unfolds and evolves without a helping hand or any outside guidance (god). Everything within this objective reality 'we' assign meaning to. This now becomes part of each of our subjective universes.
In simpler words, the physical universe just does its thing without help, and we assign meaning to everything we experience.

Why is it that Satan has to exist? What I believe is God has given us the Freedom of Choice. Do good or do bad. It's up to us to do what we want. Why should Satan be responsible for anything we do? Heaven and Hell I don't know. But, I believe there is life after death on Earth.

Free Will is always misunderstood. It really means "freedom from the Will of another" . . . if you are not doing your own Will, then you are doing someone else's.
Good & Evil are subjective, my evil might be your good, and your good my evil. There are no universal laws which dictates good & evil.
As for Satan . . . there is no Satan, it's made up like everything else in that book.

 

[User Inactive]

Why must there be a reason behind everything?
IMO, the objective universe (physical universe) unfolds and evolves without a helping hand or any outside guidance (god). Everything within this objective reality 'we' assign meaning to. This now becomes part of each of our subjective universes.
In simpler words, the physical universe just does its thing without help, and we assign meaning to everything we experience.

Everything has to have a reason in my opinion. Why do we even bother to live then?

Free Will is always misunderstood. It really means "freedom from the Will of another" . . . if you are not doing your own Will, then you are doing someone else's.
Good & Evil are subjective, my evil might be your good, and your good my evil. There are no universal laws which dictates good & evil.
As for Satan . . . there is no Satan, it's made up like everything else in that book.

I completely agree. Sorry I wasn't clear. English is not my 1st language. I always say that there is nothing as good or evil. Some of my friends say drinking is bad, taking drugs is bad. (I don't) But I've never thought so.

 

[mystic64]

If anyone ever figures that one out, please let me know! :areyoucra

Well as the leader of us mystics on this message board Miz Crossfire, you know that it is all about warming up the crystal ball and having a look at things .

 

[mystic64]

What the heck is a mystic?
But I have already.
Perhaps this is your experience, but this has not been mine in an respect. This 'god' you speak of is nothing more than an archetype to me, as is Satan.

"that is the way "YOU" understand it to be" this is not a finite gnosis of god.

So, you've been in the presence of Yeshua the Nazarene?

A paradigm is just that, a paradigm. I cannot judge your paradigm and what you say you have experienced. But, I can question your perception, or lack of.

How is it that you experienced this Jesus person and how is it you relate the experience to 'approaching' a god?

Hi Salmu and welcome to the message board! First premise: God is defined as the God that Lord Jesus in the Christian Bible, who was of the Jewish faith, called, "His Father" and "our Father who is in Heaven." Second premise: Lord Jesus is defined as a loving entity that one can have a personal relationship with, and as an entity that will directly participate in one's life. Salmu, because you can not accept these two premises as valid, there is no foundation for discussion. Therefore, what you are saying is absolutely correct with no room for discussion. Ok, all is well! That works for me.

 

[crossfire]

Well as the leader of us mystics on this message board Miz Crossfire, you know that it is all about warming up the crystal ball and having a look at things .

Crystal balls? **lol**
I've always thought of a mystic as someone whose psyche has been metaphorically turned inside out, but heck, what do I know?

 

[mystic64]

Crystal balls? **lol**
I've always thought of a mystic as someone whose psyche has been metaphorically turned inside out, but heck, what do I know?

Miz Chrossfire you under estimate yourself , you know a lot of stuff. There is also a crystal ball called the "mind's eye", and yes looking into that crystal ball will turn you inside out. Which is why most folks say, "To heck with that!" and I do not blame them one bit. Constantly gazing into the "mind's eye" is not for the weak kneed or for the uninitiated. One should not do this at home for professionals only I guess.

 

[crossfire]

Constantly gazing into the "mind's eye" is not for the weak kneed or for the uninitiated. One should not do this at home for professionals only I guess.

Too late! :faint:

 

[mystic64]

Too late! :faint:

it is too late for me also. Arrg! I wouldn't want to give up what I learned from the experience, at the same time I wouldn't want to ever go through it again. There is suppose to be a clear cut picture between the Father of Jesus and Satan, but there isn't, at least when you are passing through the "Dark night of the soul", "The valley of death", or the "Grey/black zone/area" as the yogis call it, stuff, which seems to last forever. And there seems to be a part of being a mystic that involves knocking heads with God and God has a very hard head. Either that or I do and I am going about it all wrong . There is a high probability that that is actually my problem. And again, arrg! I hate that part.

 

[Thana]

I disagree. The Left Hand Path is an individual path. There is no one to lean on except yourself. No gods beside the one within you. It is a path looked down upon with hatred, oppression, misunderstanding, and indifference. It is a lonely and frustrating path.

The Left Hand Path? Interesting, I've never actually heard Satanism referred to as that.
We are only human, imperfect, So leaning on oneself will always take you down an imperfect path, You will always fail because human nature cannot be combatted with human nature.

But I agree, Society does look down on those who practise Satanism with misunderstanding and oppression, But I think the fault lies with misconception and little understanding of the religion.

 

[Riverwolf]

You will always fail because human nature cannot be combatted with human nature.

Only if perfection is your goal.

If it's not, then failure is not inevitable.

 

[EtuMalku]

The Left Hand Path? Interesting, I've never actually heard Satanism referred to as that.

I've yet to hear it 'not' associated with the LHP

We are only human, imperfect, So leaning on oneself will always take you down an imperfect path, You will always fail because human nature cannot be combatted with human nature.

What exactly are we 'failing' at?
The universe and all that it holds is imperfect, imperfection enables Creation.

 

[Skyrim25]

The universe and all that it holds is imperfect, imperfection enables Creation.

I like this^

Perfection=death
perfection=an end
perfection=the void(unchanging)

imperfection=life
imperfection=a beginning
imperfection=creation(always changing)

 

[dgirl1986]

Easy.

One is a tyrannical maniac who encourages rape, murder, and genocide and has demanded sacrifices in his name...

... and the other was thrown in hell for rebelling against that.

Teeheehee