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Featured How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Dec 30, 2020.

  1. Skywalker

    Skywalker Well-Known Member

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    Jesus said that those who rejected the preaching of the gospel will be judged more harshly than those at Sodom and Gommorah. Those at Sodom and Gommorah are still punished. They have a lesser sentence but they still won't be saved.
     
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  2. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    Personally I see rejection can happen without conscious knowledge of that being so.

    I see a material rendition of a spiritual purpose constitutes rejection of the fundamental Truths given by God.

    Regards Tony
     
  3. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    The preaching of the Gospel came with guidance.

    If preaching did not contain that guidance, then salvation will not result. It is now apparent that a renewal is needed.

    Regards Tony
     
  4. Skywalker

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    All rejection is concious on some level. When Jesus said forgive them father for they know not what they do he meant that they didn't understand the magnitude of evil they were doing, not that they were blameless.
     
  5. Skywalker

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    Jesus didn't just come to save us but also to teach us how to live and also that we could come before God and have a relationship with God that Job didn't have.
     
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    Marcion neo-humanistic tantric-yogi

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    That renewal can be found in tantra-yoga practices adjusted for this modern age. Those are fully compatible with the original teachings of Jesus and you need not worry about this or that religion, they are enough for all spiritual growth.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Hyperbole! He probably meant that people should remember him and what he did.
    Gratefully, I'm not talking about that. Here's what we're talking about:
    Note: we're not talking about Sodom and Gommorah. You said something about saving "us".

    It's not nessessary. Per Isaiah 43:3. The ransom has been paid.
     
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  8. Skywalker

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    How did God pay the ransom for our sins?
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    From the verse, Egypt did.

    But either way, the ransom was paid. At least up to that point. It means that I don't have some irreconcilable flaw.
     
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  10. Skywalker

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    The context of that verse is not about the Messiah being a Savior.
     
  11. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    The context of that verse was universal, timeless.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Bingo. No Messiah is needed per Isaiah 43:3 in order to ransom original sin. In other words... I'm off the hook! :)
     
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  13. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    If only it was that easy ;)

    Regards Tony
     
  14. Skywalker

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    Why would original sin need a ransom if it doesn't exist?
     
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    Why did Jesus die for our sins?
     
  16. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Why do all Messengers choose to abide by God's Will? Why Did Noah build and Ark, why did Moses lead the people, why did the Bab also die for us all, why did Baha'ullah choose persecution, exile and imprisonment?

    They are God's chosen Messengers, yet men see they walk all over them, do men think that God is not all powerful and that there are no repercussions for that rejection?

    Basically you asked the question that is the foundation o all Faiths.

    Regards Tony
     
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    How could Jesus die for our sins if he wasn't God? False Ideas About Jesus Christ

     
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    Jesus did not preach against Torah observance. Torah observance is a non-issue for Christians when it comes to eternal salvation.
     
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    Great!
     
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    Why do you think Jesus encouraged Jewish people to transgress?
     
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