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How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?

Skywalker

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You're right! It's not a defense; It's a plea deal :)

In this case, the defense pleads guilty. I'm arguing for a lesser sentence.

Jesus said that those who rejected the preaching of the gospel will be judged more harshly than those at Sodom and Gommorah. Those at Sodom and Gommorah are still punished. They have a lesser sentence but they still won't be saved.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Jesus said that those who rejected the preaching of the gospel will be judged more harshly than those at Sodom and Gommorah. Those at Sodom and Gommorah are still punished. They have a lesser sentence but they still won't be saved.

Personally I see rejection can happen without conscious knowledge of that being so.

I see a material rendition of a spiritual purpose constitutes rejection of the fundamental Truths given by God.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Jesus said that those who rejected the preaching of the gospel will be judged more harshly than those at Sodom and Gommorah. Those at Sodom and Gommorah are still punished. They have a lesser sentence but they still won't be saved.

The preaching of the Gospel came with guidance.

If preaching did not contain that guidance, then salvation will not result. It is now apparent that a renewal is needed.

Regards Tony
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Personally I see rejection can happen without conscious knowledge of that being so.

I see a material rendition of a spiritual purpose constitutes rejection of the fundamental Truths given by God.

Regards Tony

All rejection is concious on some level. When Jesus said forgive them father for they know not what they do he meant that they didn't understand the magnitude of evil they were doing, not that they were blameless.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
The preaching of the Gospel came with guidance.

If preaching did not contain that guidance, then salvation will not result. It is now apparent that a renewal is needed.

Regards Tony

Jesus didn't just come to save us but also to teach us how to live and also that we could come before God and have a relationship with God that Job didn't have.
 

Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
The preaching of the Gospel came with guidance.

If preaching did not contain that guidance, then salvation will not result. It is now apparent that a renewal is needed.

Regards Tony


That renewal can be found in tantra-yoga practices adjusted for this modern age. Those are fully compatible with the original teachings of Jesus and you need not worry about this or that religion, they are enough for all spiritual growth.
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Jesus said that those who rejected the preaching of the gospel will be judged more harshly than those at Sodom and Gommorah.
Hyperbole! He probably meant that people should remember him and what he did.
Those at Sodom and Gommorah are still punished. They have a lesser sentence but they still won't be saved.
Gratefully, I'm not talking about that. Here's what we're talking about:
Jesus came to save us and to teach us how to live. The covenant between God and Israel already existed at the time.
Note: we're not talking about Sodom and Gommorah. You said something about saving "us".

It's not nessessary. Per Isaiah 43:3. The ransom has been paid.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Hyperbole! He probably meant that people should remember him and what he did.
Gratefully, I'm not talking about that. Here's what we're talking about:

Note: we're not talking about Sodom and Gommorah. You said something about saving "us".

It's not nessessary. Per Isaiah 43:3. The ransom has been paid.

How did God pay the ransom for our sins?
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Why did Jesus die for our sins?

Why do all Messengers choose to abide by God's Will? Why Did Noah build and Ark, why did Moses lead the people, why did the Bab also die for us all, why did Baha'ullah choose persecution, exile and imprisonment?

They are God's chosen Messengers, yet men see they walk all over them, do men think that God is not all powerful and that there are no repercussions for that rejection?

Basically you asked the question that is the foundation o all Faiths.

Regards Tony
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Why do all Messengers choose to abide by God's Will? Why Did Noah build and Ark, why did Moses lead the people, why did the Bab also die for us all, why did Baha'ullah choose persecution, exile and imprisonment?

They are God's chosen Messengers, yet men see they walk all over them, do men think that God is not all powerful and that there are no repercussions for that rejection?

Basically you asked the question that is the foundation o all Faiths.

Regards Tony

How could Jesus die for our sins if he wasn't God? False Ideas About Jesus Christ

One Prophet Among Many
Some accept Christ as a prophet of God (Acts 3:22), but contend that he was merely one figure in a long line of divine spokesmen. According to them, he was not the greatest one, and most certainly not the last. For example, the religion of Islam speaks very highly of Jesus as a prophet, but alleges that Christ disclaimed being deity (his followers deified him), and that he never died upon the cross (Anderson, 1950, 62-63). To those of the Islamic persuasion, Mohammed was the last and greatest of the prophets.

Similarly, there is the Baha’i movement, founded by Mirza ‘Mohammed in Iran (c. 1844). This apostate form of Islam proclaimed the coming a great World Teacher. In 1863 Mirza Husayn ’ Ali announced that he was that Teacher. He adopted the name Baha’u’llah (from which Baha’i is derived). Baha’i teaching asserts there has been a series of prophets, beginning with Adam. Adam’s successors were Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Zarathushtra, Christ, Mohammed, and finally Baha’i — the most important of all. But the fact is, Christ was not just one figure in a series of prophets. He is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6), and apart from him there is no salvation (Acts 4:12).
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
:rolleyes:

Here's the thing. I told you the answer in previous threads in previous conversations. What I notice is that you don't listen or value what I've said or what other Jewish people have said. So, until you can demonstrate that my words have value, I'm not going to give away the answer.

I'll give you a hint: There are two transgressions Matthew 5. You're on the right track by quoting verse 18. The trangressions violate words of Torah from Moses, not from Mishnah, Talmud, or Midrash.


Nope, that's not it.

"Jesus as described in the NT does not encourage Torah observance."

"Jesus as described in the NT encourages Jewish people to transgress."

Jesus did not preach against Torah observance. Torah observance is a non-issue for Christians when it comes to eternal salvation.
 
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