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Here are five felonies Trump committed — if Cohen is telling the truth

Discussion in 'Law' started by sooda, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Veteran Member

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    Here are five felonies Trump committed — if Cohen is telling the truth..

    Trump is seething at this point.. You may really want to read the whole thing. This is just a small part of the pile up on the information highway.

    Trump was left seething and tweeting in Hanoi as his former consigliere upstaged him. At the best of times, Trump has the attention span of a hyperactive 8-year-old. Distracted by Cohen’s testimony, Trump was likely to be even less prepared than usual and even more likely to grant concessions to Kim Jong Un simply to draw attention back to himself.

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    1. Conspiracy to defraud the United States. Cohen testified that he was present in July 2016 when Trump took a call on the speakerphone from Roger Stone, who said “that he had just gotten off the phone with Julian Assange and that Mr. Assange told Stone that, within a couple of days, there would be a massive dump of emails that would damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign.” According to Cohen, Trump replied, “Wouldn’t that be great.” (Stone has denied that account, in possible violation of a judge’s gag order.) Trump cannot claim that he did not know where the leaked emails ultimately came from: It had been public knowledge since mid-June 2016 that Russian hackers had penetrated the Democratic National Committee.

    2. Lying to the FBI and the Justice Department. According to CNN, Trump, in his written testimony to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, claimed “that Roger Stone did not tell him about WikiLeaks, nor was he told about the 2016 Trump Tower meeting between his son, campaign officials and a Russian lawyer promising dirt on Hillary Clinton.” Cohen contradicted those assertions.

    3. Suborning perjury. Cohen testified that Trump encouraged him to lie to Congress about his attempts in 2016 to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and that his personal lawyers reviewed the mendacious testimony.

    4. Violating campaign finance laws. Cohen testified that Trump told him to pay off a porn star and reimbursed him for doing so. Cohen even produced a check Trump signed while he was president and another one that was signed by Donald Trump Jr., implicating the president’s son in this felony, as well.

    To these four offenses, one may add: 5. Bank, wire and tax fraud. Cohen testified that Trump inflated his assets to win bank loans and deflated them to reduce his taxes — precisely the kind of scheme for which Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, is now facing lengthy prison time. And Cohen added that he knew of other offenses that federal prosecutors are still investigating.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...g-truth/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.27a294e7e45e
     
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    4. Edward's case is a precedent for dismissal.
     
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    Brian Beutler on Twitter


    Unbelievable.. I knew Don jr was stupid, but this takes the cake.

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    sooda Veteran Member

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    Are you a lawyer, Shad?
     
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    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    If Cohen, who's a convicted liar, were telling the truth; now that's a big IF.....;)
     
  7. Quetzal

    Quetzal A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
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    I think it goes without saying his statements only hold weight if they can be verified. He is only one piece to this mess.
     
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    Nope. I do not need to be one to see that your link was not a response to a point I made.
     
  9. sooda

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    Trump doesn't need a public defender.. and I am not well informed about the Edwards case.
     
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    That's the problem, since Cohen has charges against him he's likely to lie about anything that cannot be substantially proven. He may even be literally taking lines from people inside the DOJ and testifying per their requirements in exchange for a plea deal. That's why I don't trust a damn thing of this, as it's well known the people inside the DOJ were conspiring against Trump. Before this investigation into Cohen's personal matters, he was a Trump sycophant in all public communications. So, basically all that tells me is -- Cohen is #1 to Cohen, he's willing to lie for money or any perceived profit for himself. As soon as he was fired by Trump, Trump is so "awful". Anyone not seeing through that charade is simply stupid as hell.

    I have my beefs with Trump on Saudi Arabia and Israel. (Both of which are involved in nasty things.) But, there is no evidence anything Cohen has said is truthful, he was even lying to investigators prosecuting him. If anything, he's a pattern liar -- that didn't change because he became the impeachment golden boy.
     
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    Cohen isn't lying.. Even Donald Trump jr said he wasn't lying.

    I like Saudi Arabia .. Don't think they have been fooled by Trump.
     
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    Isn't it fun to try to discern the truth? Cohen is obviously retreating to hyperbole hoping to affect his sentencing. Yet, there is some truth in there. How much I wonder?
     
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  13. Subduction Zone

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    Nope, your misunderstanding of the case does not mean that is the case. Do you know why Edward's got off?
     
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    Wasn't it a mistrial?
     
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    Neither is @Shad . During his campaign Edward's made a secret payment to his pregnant mistress. He was able to argue that since she was pregnant he would have paid her anyway. Does anyone think that Trump can claim he would have paid the bribes anyway?
     
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    Was it a mistrial?

    BTW.. Donald Junior signed the check to Stormy.
     
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    On June 3, 2011, Edwards was indicted by a federal grand jury on six felony charges of violating multiple federal campaign contribution laws to cover up an extramarital affair to which he admitted, following his 2008 campaign.

    Edwards was found not guilty on one count, and the judge declared a mistrial on the remaining five charges, as the jury was unable to come to an agreement.

    The Justice Department dropped the remaining charges and did not attempt to retry Edwards. Though it did not result in a criminal conviction, the revelation that Edwards had an extramarital affair and fathered a child while his wife, Elizabeth, was dying of cancer gravely damaged his public image and ended his career ………. wiki
     
  18. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    How long did it take for the spin to start? Ever notice the Usual Suspects have no problem taking the word of liars when they're impugning someone they don't like, though?
     
  19. Kangaroo Feathers

    Kangaroo Feathers Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...

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    But... but...but Hillary's emails...
     
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  20. Subduction Zone

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    There were multiple checks signed to pay back Cohen. Edwards was found not guilty on five of six charges. His argument was that it was to cover it up from his wife who had cancer at the time. His claim was supported by the fact that he made at least one more payment after he dropped out of the campaign:

    https://www.justsecurity.org/60415/...john-edwards-campaign-finance-law-violations/

    Trump was paying off two separate women for affairs that occurred years earlier. The campaign was his only excuse for his actions.

    Edit: Oops, got that backwards. One not guilty, five mistrial.
     
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