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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. Fool

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    if the bible states that god is love and light, then is the godless darkness and loveless?


    1 John 1:5
    This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    1 John 4:8
    He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
     
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    I finally figured out what direction I should go, when I studied the revelations of the Baha'i faith
    Depends on who you ask.
     
  3. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    The bible says lots of things to alienate those who dont believe in the bible, as does just about every other holy book about itself. In this way wars lie.
     
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  4. Fool

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    but aren't the loveless quick to war?
     
  5. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Isn't the most natural reading that God is an illustration of virtues, and does not necessarily exist?
     
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  6. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    That is the Truth of Good and Evil.

    All good is from God, all evil is from our own selves.

    Good is light, evil is lack of that light.

    Regards Tony
     
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  7. Fool

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    i'm not speaking of something separate from self; so pretending it doesn't exist would be like pretending i don't exist. these virtues are the potential of what is god and when put into practice are manifested.
     
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  8. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    It has been written that we are created at the end of darkness and beginning of light. All the light is a potential in us, that we must bring forth.

    Regards Tony
     
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    God is love means that God wants us to love to be acceptable in God's Kingdom.
     
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    Who is loveless, those the bible says is loveless?

    Could be these so called loveless are actually loved and the bible got it wrong.

    I think you will find that throughout history more wars occurred where one side or both were fighting for there religious belief than any other cause
     
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    thy kingdom come, thy will be done on/in earth as it is in heaven.


    the kingdom of god, comes within you
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I'm sorry to have to say, I find that statement to be grievously misguided, and definitively anti-human. It says, without any leavening at all, that humans cannot do good unless they are led to do so by God, but can certainly do evil without any help at all.

    I wonder why, then, you would want to part of a species like that...:cry:
     
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    if god is not a respecter of persons, then unconditional love means you love everyone. those who want there way projected upon others are not following the golden rule; which can be found in most popular belief systems.
     
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    only good can come from compassion; when we are not loving we are selfish, then comes the division.


    we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against those who would seek power and hierarchies.
     
  15. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I see what it is to be human and we have been given a chance to be divine. What a great bounty and many movies are made that try to show we can be more than human.

    God inspires the good, the rest is from us, it comes back to our choices.

    We can one and all tomorrow choose nothing but Good, but who is needed to motivate that?

    Regards Tony
     
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    Yep, and stays within until you realizes it, if you have agape you know you found Christ within..
    "if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing."
     
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    I believe that goes along with the least of these being me, that Jesus quoted about. Just doing something because you're trying to earn something for ourselves isn't going to work. having compassion, empathy, for another is a whole different motivation. one is done for self, the other is done for other as self. I also believe that is the crux of the rich man in the parable of Lazarus and the rich guy. even in hell he only thought of himself and his. he wanted Lazarus to suffer even more to help him and his.
     
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    Yes, it has to be part your essence, consciousness, not because good book says so.
     
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    Other that that you probably mean "no", I have no idea of what you mean to say here.
     
  20. Fool

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    I basically agreed with you that they are mental forces, spiritual powers yes.
     
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