Ohio, US is roughly 3,800 miles from Norway. I would call that far.
Not in terms of lightyears
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Ohio, US is roughly 3,800 miles from Norway. I would call that far.
So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this?
God is everything and with that, God is within everything.
Exactly!Nothing. The words have no meaning to me. It's not just that I don't know what you mean by either God or a higher state of consciousness, whatever meaning I give those terms, I still end up with an idea that I can't use for anything.
This, too. Whatever this means, let's stipulate to it. OK. God is everything and within everything. Great. How is that knowledge useful? How would one use that information if it were correct? How has it helped you?
the OP was meant for everyone, but there is a reason why it was mention that some people would have a reation to the text in the OP, I did not expect it to be the atheists who would react
the OP was meant for everyone, but there is a reason why it was mention that some people would have a reation to the text in the OP, I did not expect it to be the atheists who would react
2. On a personal level, it's getting somewhat tiresome to always hear the same loop of tape about how exceptionally high one's spiritual training/experience allegedly has become. Maybe some people get a kick out of such a statement, but I think its totally useless. Those who "have seen", "have seen". There's no need to prove this to each other.
I would rather term it "realized" than attained. Attained sounds like it's done through effort, which the ego can pat itself on the back of having accomplished. The only thing necessary is to get out of the way, and that's not an accomplishment. It's giving up effort.And that there is always a "higher state" than the one we have attained.
It is coherent in this field because the understanding is that God is that highest state of being that descended from the highest into slightly lower and even lower states to manifest the world. So when beings here transcend at least a few of those layers, they are moving towards that state. It is all relative.I'm not sure how slapping the label "God" on "a higher state of consciousness" would be coherent or meaningful. Using the term this way would be likely to cause confusion, IMO.
Absolutely I agree. It's when we move beyond our concepts of the Divine into actual realized experience, then we have common ground in Unitive Consciousness. I'm going to make a statement from Meister Eckhart my mantra, "I pray God make me free of God, that I may know God in his unconditioned being".Thanks for your insight. However, I didn't have that in mind at all. I rather thought about the problems of different religions, rather like "You may have spiritual insight into the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I have spiritual insight into the Pink Invisible Unicorn, and thus my spiritual insight is better because the Pink Invisible Unicorn is the God that I do believe in and you don't." Maybe I'm wrong, but I think genuine spiritual training may lead to some common ground of experience between different religions.
It's not conceptual, if that's what you mean. Those that intellectualize the Divine, are looking at an image of their minds, which is conditioned through language, which is dualistic in nature, not nondual, or nonlinear. "Knowing God" is more like knowing the taste of an orange. If someone says "I believe in God", what is the source of that belief? The mind, or experience?Have you guys (those appropriate) considered knowing or experiencing god/higher consciousness through what you do rather than what you know?
Yes. Letting go of seeking confirmation of our ideas is key. Nothing wrong with having an image in your mind, so long as you are willing to set that aside and let Knowledge inform.If you wanted someone to experience higher consciousness would you want them to understand it as a clear state of mind and/or does it also make sense to look at it as an action or expression (what you do on a daily basis for example)?
I like how the Buddhist describe it, something to the effect of opening a windowless window. It's an effort, or action, to make no effort or action. That's why it's not an accomplishment. It's nothing you 'attain", or 'achieve' which are done through effort. It's something you already are. You don't 'attain' or achieve your lungs, do you?Which is stronger-clear state of mind or action?
If to entertain another perspective than the common definition of the term
This OP will probably make some believers angry at the OP starter, and that is totally fine But when there is a deeper realization of what God is and others who have not yet had the realization, read it, they will maybe try to defend their own understanding of God. That is also ok to do,
So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)
Is this topic even possible to discuss in a gentle manner?
That is truth. If you want to start a fight, just use the word God.You have only to use the word God on this forum, and no matter what the context, you will anger someone. Don’t ask me why, I’ve no idea. But there it is.
I agree, but for a lot of folks, that, in itself, is an accomplishment. It's probably the single most difficult thing to do for addicts in recovery: to just let go, and follow the path of recovery, instead of trying to 'control' it.I would rather term it "realized" than attained. Attained sounds like it's done through effort, which the ego can pat itself on the back of having accomplished. The only thing necessary is to get out of the way, and that's not an accomplishment. It's giving up effort.
I suspect that once one has achieved that "oneness", they will realize that they started there, long ago.In a certain sense yes, there is always a "higher" state, since Consciousness is Infinite. But as far as human experience goes, there are maps that show what the highest possible currently are. Which is the nondual at the top, at this point in human evolution. Once we get out of this body altogether, then 'skies the limit' as they say.
It's an ironic thing, that addicts in recovery are probably much closer to the Truth, than those who imagine they are in control of their lives. The 1st step is about surrender, and that's something few without a state of despair come to the place to do. As they say, it usually takes some form of trauma to wake folks up out of the illusion of control.I agree, but for a lot of folks, that, in itself, is an accomplishment. It's probably the single most difficult thing to do for addicts in recovery: to just let go, and follow the path of recovery, instead of trying to 'control' it.
Yes, that's a common realization. "It's never been anywhere but fully here". Enlightenment is our fundamental Nature. The only thing hard about it is to let go of all the obstacles that get placed in front of it, either by culture or our own selves, fearing letting go, or "dying to self". That's why "letting go" is key. Practice living as if we are dying, I think is a good way to realize that. In death, all that stuff falls away. So do it now. Those who lay down their lives, shall find Life.I suspect that once one has achieved that "oneness", they will realize that they started there, long ago.
This OP will probably make some believers angry at the OP starter, and that is totally fine But when there is a deeper realization of what God is and others who have not yet had the realization, read it, they will maybe try to defend their own understanding of God. That is also ok to do,
So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)
Is this topic even possible to discuss in a gentle manner?
Absolutely! In fact, that is what "the bottom" is for those who have succumbed to addiction: it is the realization that no matter what we do, or how badly we want it, or how hard we try, we simply cannot control our addiction. It is controlling us. And it will take away everything we love, and then kill us, by our own hand. Once that delusion that we will somehow manage to gain control over it is broken, we can finally look outside ourselves for help, and be willing to take it. Because we can see that we have no other option.It's an ironic thing, that addicts in recovery are probably much closer to the Truth, than those who imagine they are in control of their lives. The 1st step is about surrender, and that's something few without a state of despair come to the place to do. As they say, it usually takes some form of trauma to wake folks up out of the illusion of control.
This OP will probably make some believers angry at the OP starter, and that is totally fine But when there is a deeper realization of what God is and others who have not yet had the realization, read it, they will maybe try to defend their own understanding of God. That is also ok to do,
So to say out aloud God is a higher state of consciousness and God is within everything. What happens to your thoughts when reading this? (no it is not a challenge)
Is this topic even possible to discuss in a gentle manner?
Absolutely! In fact, that is what "the bottom" is for those who have succumbed to addiction: it is the realization that no matter what we do, or how badly we want it, or how hard we try, we simply cannot control our addiction. It is controlling us. And it will take away everything we love, and then kill us, by our own hand. Once that delusion that we will somehow manage to gain control over it is broken, we can finally look outside ourselves for help, and be willing to take it. Because we can see that we have no other option.
It is an excellent example of how religious faith works for people, and why so many people turn to it. It's also why atheists really don't understand it, and why they feel no need for it.