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Featured God And Homosexuality

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, May 14, 2020.

  1. Left Coast

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    :facepalm:

    Having gay friends and family does not indicate that you don't have biased, misguided beliefs about us. That was the point of my "I have a black friend" comment.

    Great, then you understand that homophobia, such as telling gay people that our sexuality, simply by virtue of the gender we're attracted to, is inherently broken, sinful, evil, unnatural, disgusting, the equivalent of pedophilia or bestiality, the result of sexual abuse, that we're "not really gay" just confused, or that we're going to hell if we ever act on our sexual desires, is all deeply psychologically traumatic and hurtful to us. Particularly when you ingrain those messages in our heads from the time we can understand what you're saying. I'm so glad that you understand that. And I'm sure moving forward you'll act accordingly. Right?

    Again, the guilt-tripping and gaslighting is noted. If I don't agree with you, I'm "blame shifting" or am not being honest about my "wounded" sexuality. IMHO, people need to educate themselves with empirical data and by actually believing gay people when they share their inner life instead of assuming that they're not being honest.

    Given that you won't even believe what I've already told you, and are repeatedly attempting to guilt-trip and gaslight me, why would I share more of my inner life with you?

    If you actually want to know more about how gay people feel, start by giving us the benefit of the doubt about our own feelings and experiences instead of trying to immediately fit the square peg of our lives into the round hole of your preconceived theology, and assuming that we're lying to you when what we say doesn't fit your paradigm.
     
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  2. Spartan

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    That's just more of your politically correct nonsense. What they should do, according to the Bible, is repent, or perish (Luke 13:3). And that's love - love speaks the truth so that hopefully sinners will repent and not be lost.
     
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    No. It isn't. It is taking part in systemic violence, because it perpetuates the judgment, intimidation, and bigotry that is inherent in that system. Perpetuating these things contributes to physical and emotional harm (as we saw with the George Floyd case).

    Why? They've committed no sin. You have not proven that being homosexual is a sin, especially since the bible doesn't address the issue of homosexuality.

    No, it's bigotry disguised as love. You're not speaking truth; you're speaking biased opinion.
     
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    And that's why all remarried divorcees will be tossed into the lake of fire, but the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality or women with women apart from Ruth and Naomi.
     
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    WRONG. Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, nor why he loved one particular disciple and not a wife. And that disciple did not write anything given that the gospel wasn't written until about 70 years after Jesus was executed for sedition.
     
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    What? Did you just compare homosexuality to pedophilia?

    Your "limits" are arbitrary and stupid. It's okay for one couple to do the exact same behavior that you deem sinful for another couple to do just because of the genders involved. That makes no sense.
     
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    None of that changes the fact that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuality, and that Romans 1:26-27 is obviously about anal sex of women and men which Paul described as "vile" and "unseemly". And it's your choice if you believe that anal sex is "the natural use of the woman" and that female genitalia are "vile" and "unseemly".
     
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    Are you able to grasp that posts like yours prove to me, and zillions of other people, that your God image(Jesus) is a fictional character from primitive literature? That it's nothing to do with morality or God?

    Because He [Jesus] isn't God or Christ or anything, he's just another primitive Jewish social reformer from 1st century Judea. More like Osama bin Laden than Gandhi, except legends grew up that aren't plausible.
    Then the RCC picked a batch of writings and canonized them, declared them magically true, and people like you believe that.

    At least, when it agrees with you. When it doesn't, you just blow it off.
    To me, this is proof that your religion is about you.
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    That's just more nonsense. Love warns people to repent. That's what Jesus did - warned people to repent. In fact, the Book of Isaiah itself supports warning people to turn from their sins (i.e. gay sex hedonism, adultery, etc.):

    “When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved.” – Ezekiel 33

    Also note all the Old Testament prophets who condemned sin and corrupt moral leadership, and who were persecuted for their discernment and duty.

    But stay quiet, and evil will abound:

    “The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to (say and) do nothing.” – Edmund Burke
     
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    In regards to others, whom goes to bed with whom is none of my business as long as no one is forced into it.
     
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    So now God is a homophobe?

    "The word "homophobia", which is widely used as an insult, is an ideological tool of left-wing political correctness and effectively enforces censorship by smearing all dissenters from LGBT ideology with accusations of "mental illness" - "phobia". It goes hand in hand with the ploy of replacing moral terminology with accusations of "hatred"."

    Homophobia - Conservapedia
     
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    Lmao. You sound like a blue haired church lady from Iowa, clutching her pearls. You don't know anything about regular gay people.
     
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    None of that changes the fact that a biblical marriage is simply a personal agreement between two people to shack up together.

    Obviously biblical morality (including the ten commandments etc) is just made made, which is why it wasn't morally wrong when Abraham shacked up with his sister Sarah and committed adultery with Hagar. Nor was it morally wrong for Abraham to kill his son as a blood sacrifice, or for Cain(an) to kill his brother, or for Noah's father to kill a boy for hitting him (Gen 4) since the ten commandments did not apply to them or their ancestors.
     
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    Problem is, a sexual orientation doesn't give us anything to repent from. Unless you feel you need to repent from being heterosexual...
     
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    Gay sex needs to be repented of, and is a sin according to the Bible.
     
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    Baloney. I've been around gays for decades. None of them believe gay sex is a sin that needs to be repented of. None of them are right about that.
     
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    That doesn't mean you actually knew gay people on a personal level or really anything about gay culture. The idiots screaming hate through bullhorns at Pride parades can claim to have been around gays, too.

    Nor should they. I'm trans and bisexual, and I certainly don't believe it's a sin to repent of. I'm past self-hatred over that.
     
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    I have no reason to believe that the Creator is a homophobe.

    His self appointed spokesmen, like you, tend to homophobic. But that's not at all the same. It's just solid evidence that you don't know any more about God than I do. And the Bible is just so much primitive literature, little to do with God either.
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    Do you also believe that the adultery by ALL remarried divorcees needs to be repented of, given that it is even one of the ten commandments, whereas the bible only refers to anal sex of women and men and says nothing at all about female homosexuality (Romans 1:26-27), and is not even one of the ten commandments?

    Or do you believe that Jesus and what he said is irrelevant?
     
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    Only if it's not loving, consensual, committed and equitable. The bible also condones slavery. Are for that, too?
     
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